Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 is it coming to the us?

[Jesse_GT-R]

I sure hope the latest skyline doesnt come to the united states.Then every mindless loser is going to go and buy one because the skyline was in the movies i think it should only be availible for the real nissan skyline gt-r r34-35 enthusists. i hate people who just go and buy cars to follow the crowd like the toyota supra the lancer and the eclipse they just jumped on the bandwagon!!!!!!

[scourge2u]

huh?!?! If it does it come, its going to be over $50,000USD so if you think that ricers are going to be pouncing on this, you have no clue about how things work in real life.

Its not going to be a high production car.

Its going to be expensive.

Insurance will be cost prohibitive for kids.

Its not linked to the past Skylines.

Relax. What you suggest will absolutely not happen.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by scourge2u

Its not going to be a high production car.

Its going to be expensive.

Insurance will be cost prohibitive for kids.

Its not linked to the past Skylines.

Relax. What you suggest will absolutely not happen.

If its not a high production car then Renult won't allow it to be built, it has to sell enough units to make a profit.
It won't be mass mass production a Sentra, but it will be made and hopefully sold in the thousands.

It will be expensive relative to a Sentra, but it will be cheaper than other cars in its performance class, e.g Porsche.

Insurance will be just as much as other cars in its class, if you can afford the car, you can afford the insurance.

And what do you mean it won't be linked to other skylines?
You don't drop 30 years of History, its the best free marketing there ever was.


Quite simply when the EVO 8 and WRX went on sale in US did a whole bunch of boyracers end or driving them? No.
Why not? becuase like all new cars they are out of the price range of most of those people.
If there was a lesser version released onto the market, say the G35 with out the infinity badge, and 4cyl engine then prehaps you might get kids with wannabe look alike cars, but that is very unlikely.

Here in NZ seeing a skyline is an everyday occurance, everyday I see one that has been somehow or another boy racerised, and ruined, but I have never seen a GTR driven by anyone but someone who could afford it, and treat it with respect, simply because it is in a class above the average car (including other skylines).

[VQuick]

Paraphrased from the article "Mr Skyline GT-R" in the Feb. 2003 issue of car.

Ghosn visited the NISMO Festival in 2001, witnessed the fanatical devotion to the GT-R first hand, and liked what he saw. He believes there's no reason why such a car should not be as popular in America and Europe. But that means the end of the road for the straight six engine layout that has been part of the Skyline mystique since the 1960s.

About the RB, Nissan's product planner for the Skyline, Hiroshi Tamura, said "We cannot use the straight six engine, because it's too costly to build a left-hand-drive car with that engine; the air intake is on that side of the car, and we can't change it without doubling costs."

The GT-R concept car revealed at the 2001 Tokyo motor show was, Tamura insists, just that-a concept. The next car will be a new generation GT-R, Tamura insists. "Porsche 993 to 996 was a big step. Ferrari 355 to 360 was a big step. We must make an even bigger leap than that for the next generation GT-R. What we are saying to customers is, be patient, trust us, we will make it for you."

[scourge2u]

Moppie, you really think you have a clue. How cute.

The Skyline is not going to be a mass production car. They NEVER have been. The Skyline will never sell as many units as a Honda Civic...period. Only a few thousand will be sold each year. Its about economics....simple economics.

Insurance costs will prevent all the ricer kids from getting one. The Skyline will be cost prohibitive to be a bandwagon car. See how simple this is?

This Skyline is NOT in any way related to the last generations of Skylines (R32, R33, R34). Its a completely different car in every way. All the Playstation kiddies want their game car, but this one isn't it. Its new. Of course, it will be marketed as the next step in the line of Skylines, but its not what every US kid thinks he knows about Skylines. Are you finally comprehending?

NZ is completely differnent than the US. The markets are not comparable because you haver access to cars we never did/will and thus you have a different kind of buyer.

Now, I hope others who can't see the obvious now have a clue as well.

[RazorGTR]

In saying that, odds are there will be two versions. There seems to be a lot of that out of Japan. A JDM version and American version. Case in point was the 200sx. A lot of the sources that I have that go to Japan every month have also said the same thing.

Either way the GTR will be a limited produced car. Limited to what, who is to say. They may produce as an example of 5,000 units for the JDM market while the American market may only see 2,000 units. Who knows. The first two years will either make or break the car's viability.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by RazorGTR

Either way the GTR will be a limited produced car. Limited to what, who is to say.

Remmeber that are more than two markets in the world, the GTR is just as popular in Europe and the UK as it is in America, and any model built to meet US regulations will easily meet Europeans ones.
Add in the Renult connection and its pretty much a given that the car will be sold in Europe.
The cars popularity here in NZ and Ausie, as well as the rest of Asia also can't be over looked, Australians at the moment are buying record numbers of exotic cars, and there is always a demand for them in places like Hong Kong and Singapore.
If the car is even half as good as it should be I believe you can double the numbers, 10,000 units is not an unrealistic number, especialy if more than one version is produced.

The two versions idea is a strong possiblity, its not like it hasnt been done before.
Triumphs, Austins and MGs from the 50s and 60s all had Worlds models, and US models, Lotus, Ferrari and others did it during the 70s and 80s, and now Mitsi and Subaru are doing it with the WRX and EVO VIII.
And of course everything from the Corrola to the Civic to the Maxima has been sold in a variety of versions and sizes for a variety of differnt markets.
From a political and social perspective there is the rest of the world, and there is America. Car manufactors are well aware of the differnces, and have been doing clever things to overcome them for some time.




scourge2u Grow up

[scourge2u]

10,000 units is not a high volume car, especially when you take into account thats 10,000 units world wide.

Moppie, learn to reason properly.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by scourge2u

Moppie, learn to reason properly

You dont know the meaning of the word reason, when you learn it come back and try again, you will still be wrong, ignorant and niave, but you can always keep trying.


When you are talking about a car with a NZ$100,000+ price tag, a limited market and a production life of no more than 5 years, maybe even less given current trends, then 10,000 units is a lot.
Its all relative.

[scourge2u]

Dont play with people smarter than you are, I have a degree in philosophy and over 10 years working in the Automotive industry.

Also dont flame other members, its imature and will earn you no respect here.
Your post has been delt with accordingly.



Moppie
Moderator.

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HAHAHAHAHA! What little bitch. I have two degrees and will complete my third in May. Big damn deal! You are still acting like an arrogant spoiled child. You talked shit and got smacked back in your place and now you going crying to mommy to delete this fact in hopes that others won't see you for the petty fool that you are. How pathetic that you can't take getting proven wrong.

[tazdev]

Originally Posted by scourge2u

The Skyline is not going to be a mass production car. They NEVER have been. The Skyline will never sell as many units as a Honda Civic...period. Only a few thousand will be sold each year. Its about economics....simple economics.

you have no clue.

The skyline has, is and always will be a mass production car the Skyline name belongs to more than just the GT-R and if you say otherwise then yes you are truely ignorant.

check the facts before you post

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by scourge2u

Dont play with people smarter than you are, I have a degree in philosophy and over 10 years working in the Automotive industry.

Also dont flame other members, its imature and will earn you no respect here.
Your post has been delt with accordingly.



Moppie
Moderator.

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HAHAHAHAHA! What little bitch. I have two degrees and will complete my third in May. Big damn deal! You are still acting like an arrogant spoiled child. You talked shit and got smacked back in your place and now you going crying to mommy to delete this fact in hopes that others won't see you for the petty fool that you are. How pathetic that you can't take getting proven wrong.

WTF?














Anyway, he won't be bothering us for a day or two, so I did a little search of the net for GTR production numbers.
Found little I could trust for R34 numbers, but there were roughly 40,000 R32 GTRs built, but just over 10,000 R33 GTRs built, I will assume there were only a similar number of R34s built, basicly as the car got older, so did the technology and its impact on the automotive world dwindled as other manufactors created similar cars with equal levels of performance so its demand dropped. It dosn't bode well for a new GTR, unless; new GTR can create the same level of awe and sensation that the first R32 did (it will be VERY hard, but Nissan have proven they can do it at least once) then there is no reason that it couldn't sell signifacntly more than 40,000 units, especialy when you remember that there are 3 new potential markets to include.
A number closer to 100,000 is realistic possiblity, and Im sure something that Nissan is hopeing for.

[tazdev]

it all depands on if they get the styling right I guess

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by tazdev

it all depands on if they get the styling right I guess

Thats a good point, but just how important will the styling be?
The R32 sold in huge numbers because it sometime totaly new and differnt, that fact that it looks cool would have only been a small factor in why people bought it.

[RazorGTR]

As with a super car such as the Viper, Z06 Vette, Porsche GT3 etc not many units are sold world wide in total. The general consensus is it is suppose to compete against the other cars of such hence a low estimate. I am sure only Nissan/Renault will know at the end of the day what the projected planned sales will be.

These cars are not your average daily shopping trolly as mentioned before and the manufacturers know and understand this. While there will always be the enthusiasts who wish, most won't purchase new, if the price tag is as high as it may be. You only need to review the sales of the R34 GTR. Though it wasn't released in the states sales were at an all time low due to its continued high price tag. NZ didn't see its first new R34 GTR until 2000, and OZ the same.