S2000 in Austrlia.. vs a SS camaro stock vs stock

[SONIC1050fps]

now don't get me wrong the S2000 is an awe- some car.. i wouldn't mind at all to have one

though a 2001 show down.. between father and son.. was rediculous.

first the S2000 is not a super lightweight..

but the point was 0 to any thing the SS will beat it.. an Slp SS will likely , with added advantage of torque.. on a loose track easily stay ahead of the s2000

now the point i want to make is the S2000 owner said the SS beat it in all aceleration test but one a 70mph roll were he sid the s2000 pulled 4 cars on the SS.. and the SS did make up for it and closed to one upto 130..

now i find this rediculous.. the Ls1 is a high end breather.. and in 2001.. the torque rating is underated.. in no way, vtec or not could an S2000 pull on a SS at that or any speed.. sorry.. not possible.. according to varios S test.. its in its Zone.. the S2000 is a great car no doubt..
but to compare it to the SS.. remeber the SS and all 01-02 Ls1 recieved a variety of Ls6 performance parts.. and high end breathing is no joke.. 165 is easily attainable..

without mods

i'm not being cocky.. but know you place

yes it is a V8 vs a 4.. but as they say ' run what you brung'.. and to even suggest the s2000 can "hang with:" an 01 SS is ludicrouse

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I appolgize not spelling you honda A 2000 correctly.. it was a simple typo with an Ir Board.

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2810 Lbs curb weight. and 153 peak torque..
vs what is known to be 370 torque and 3343 Lbs.. for a 00 SS curb weight

No detractors?
i know the ar i quck but running down a V8 isn't its best quality

[Psionic]

Wow buddy, it looks like you really got the honda community now. I guess we should all go out and buy SS's.

Are you a moron???
The S2000 is a track car, it wasn't even meant to be drag raced.
Of course the SS is going to take it in a straight line, IT IS A DRAG CAR!!!

Thats like saying: "Man, F1 cars are shit! Look at this 7000hp dragster, it will eat ANY F1 car EVER made!"

Believe it or not, there is more to a car than how fast it can go in a straight line.

Go cut the mullet, get a degree in mechanical engineering, then we can discuss engine design.

[Psionic]

SS's are 3,554 lbs

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Sorry i have a R&T Comparing the SS and the Cobra and the curb is 3353.. or their abouts..

Now psonici..

i do have multiple degree's .. you think an SS is a drag Car.. you sould see the times Slp SS turn.. if it wasn't for their power disadvantage
they'd be right up their with the Z06

i guess you've never heard of the 1le suspension package?
no?

that beast of a car will make a believr out of you.. it funny you think its an attack.. i know its a track car.. .. bt you think America is only good at making thigs go in a straight line.. it your predudice that causes you lash out

the
S2000 is ecplised be an Evo and a Sti for the same price..

and as far as Stock S200.. i'll gladly put up an !le SS or 1le Ws6 anyday and the result.. even with the massive qwweight deficite will be so close.. that in a real road roace..ie to save your life.... the S2000 is overatted..

and my post was just a S2000 owner bragging that he could pull on a car with more than twice the torque and over 100 hp more.

perhaps you need a degree.

Man i knew when i posted the Honda boys would come out guns blazing.. your predictable..

i have a friend with 800 front wheel hp civic.. and yet only with slicks can he turn a low 10.. i'll just say that with alot less Hp My Ws6 easily matched his time.. and i drove to a fro the track

get a degree in what mechanical physics.. what would you like to talk about?.. who say i don't have a degree in physics ? or work in Airforce R&D..?



I'm fully aware of most every cars supenion type.. unfortunately for you
i've seen others.. Ie the S351 Saleens 495 hp 500 Ftlbs of torque running a mere 12.7 as stated by Steve Saleen.. its a track car..
but even though the numbers Jived a Zr1 and a Viper could take it not only in acceleration but on the track

Again perhaps you should see how well ann 1le SS does against a Zo6.. and then get back to me..
the SS is not a DRAG CAR..

Your precious

S2000 is WEAK in the Torque department.. and no amout of rev or V-tec will save it... granted its suspension is fantastic.. but really.. put 200 hp in a Miata and see what happens at the track

And remeber CURB weight.. not race weight or anything else.. this is an official number documented by a scale slip.. and at 2810 the S2000 is no sheer lightweight.. sure its light.. but its is tiny..

And remeber.. i did say a loose course.. the SS would take it.

Christ.. with a Tire change and lowering springs my WS6 skid g went well past a stock C5... or is that a drag car too?

Predictable if not anything else.
Sorry boys the post was on acceleration... but if you wanna go to handling try a 345 hp 1le SS( and thats an underated hp number)

And i think you'll be impressed.. with the live axle beast.

At the Justin Bell racing school.. the Z06 Vette instructors have a hard time staying ahead of the SS 1le instructors.. and thats a quote

Thy say ignorane is bliss.. you keep thinking that.. funny how i put a intergra type r into a tree in 2000 while driving a 99 Ford mustang GT with Subframes.. and polybushings..

Ya see we are talking above the rim F bodys the 1le the Ss, the Ws6.. this isn't a Basic Z-28
he thought in the twisties he would catch me.. he caught a tree instead
At ny rate.. like i thought that story was bull.. no S200 Stock is gonna pull on a SS at 70 mph..lol

some people just have to lie

In actuqality a real tioght course.. with the natural advantage of 1le and massive torque advantage,, keeeping the S2000 in low rpms.. would be just as damaging..

SO YOU'd HAVE TO PICK THE RIGHT COURSE.


NICE TRY trying to change the subject.. too bad either way.. if my life depended on it... i'd be in the 1le SS

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And you said it ITS a TRACK car.


How usable is it under 6.5k in everyday traffic..not very, while the 1le SS.. is a blast o drive..

i could care less about its efficiency.. .. if you want to go their then the American designed Wankel rules.. .. IE the rotary 1.3 liter Na 250 hp..?

a track car... and the SS is a Drag car.. you have pretty brad definitions..

i merely stated an Accelaraation test between father and son.. and you turn itt into a Domestic Vs Jap thread.. to bad..
I have seen nothing imported from Japan to rival the 03 cobra , thge Zo6 or the Viper.. and had the continuing efforts on the F body went on.. you can be assured they would also be above par with anything imported from Japan.

Their is nothing wrong with defending your car.. just make sure you know what it is your defending..

[Psionic]

Well looks like my post got canned...

I'll try again (this time a little more tame )

I don't think the S2000 would be too far off the camaro in the roll test, remember that if you are already rolling, the S2000 would already be revving at about ~7000rpm maybe. As you probably already know, once the s2k gets revving this high, its an all together different car. It probably wouldn't win, but I don't think it would be as far off as you think.

Just a guess

[YogsVR4]

This thread started badly and has gone down hill from there.

The SS is dead. The S2000 is overrated. Move on.













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at 70 mph he would haveto be in third.. 2nd maxed out is 65mph
He still lacks an abundnance of torque and hp.

his gearing is spaced. 3rd 65 to 90
the SS is 70 to 95.

it apparentby the acceleration curves that the S2000's best chance are in the low speed. or off the line were it ca take advantage of its weight.. but once rolling. that factory is negated by the 100= exta hp and 170+ extra torque..

01-02 Ls1 were all given Ls6 intake manifolds, Ls6 exhaust manifolds, the 6.0l truck cam andrevised programming..

alot of these cars dyno's in the 320-330 factory stock .. higher than their factory rating..and it showed in the 1/4 times

sub 13 were not uncommon

and no offense to the V-tec but the Ls1 powerband peak tq at 4400 and pk hp at 5200 you've just dropped the hammer in its strongest gear and in its prime rpm range

its aerodynamic.and even making more hp with its its cold air scoop.. stock.. i don't see it happening unless your talking about driver error.. and without a doubt it easier to screw up on the S2000 than the SS..
Agian i have no beef with the S2000.. i just don't see its point.. .. a dedicated track car..? a marvel of hp per liter.. at the cost of ridiculous torque..
as they say your milage may vary

And PSI or 3.14 Started the bashing.. i wouldn't Vr4 your car is dead as well
At least i've still scene 0 mile 02's on the lots for sale.
I didn't think so but you guys really fear the Ls1 you know it exemplifies the virtue .of if it aint broke don't fix it.
i must burn your crust.. that antiquated tech, tqweaked.. as in the Zo6 can produce a World class runner.. with a Cam in block. 2 v 2 wheel drive vehicle.. the Ws6 And SS .. put the import community on hold in any stock for stock comparison.. arcaic.. no the final embodyment of 2 true muscle cars that could do it all

Be ready for the new wave.. its coming , indeed. you guys don't think chronologically..

what happens when the people that brought such outstanding performance in the cam in block 2v motor..Start to step up to Dohc's turbo's and what not.. hmm.. or you think We'll just let you win
Youre gonna have to earn it..take it
Never fond of the Vr4 the turbo setup or its heavy weight.

[Psionic]

You are looking at the S2000 from an american point of view
You will never appriciate it doing that.
The car was made to be light, quick, zippy, rip around corners, and brake. It was not meant to peel out of intersections.

How about we do a skid pad/slalom test, and then when the camaro gets its ass kicked, we say "I just don't see the camaro's point!"

Sure the camaro has a point, its just completely different from the S2000, and vice versa.

I find it funny how people keep complaining about the S's torque and saying its garbage, and too expensive. It will beat a boxter in a straight line, on the track, at the gas station, and in the wallet, yet nobody complains about boxters. I bet if the S2000 was a VW or a Toyota, this complaining wouldn't even exist.

If the camaro is such a great car then why did chevy can it?

You are obviously the type of person that only cares about straight line performance, and theres nothing wrong with that (each to his own), But there are other people who look further into a car than that.

[OoNismoO]

also, there are even more to a car than acceleration, and cornering, theres also that driver feed back, response you get, you know that feeling of control in your car, lighter cars usually gets better response. anyways, the camaro handles better with that 1le suspension package, but im betting that in corners, the s2000 will have a higher speed through it, and you say that on a racetrack the camaro will keep up or whatever, but thats probably for a track with long straights, but with continuous turns, i m pretty sure that the s2000 would win.

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pretty sure.. well i'm sure that you are wrong.. since the 01-02 Ls1 are more powerful AND BETTER BREATHERS.

PSI , what do youknow of the 1le package.. its an SCCA pakage.. .. hmm.. i guess somone thought your drag car woul make a good road race car..and surprise check even the non 1le number on say my Ws6 Stock. .90 and 64.7.. that matches up quite well considering it also hit 13.18 stock..

now add the !le and you'll find you , once again are incorrect..

all my cars are handlers.. the S2000 is a fine car but it is overated.. you as why they disconinued the F's.. well thats a Beean counter proposition.. it outperformered it competition, loooked better, better interio, better stere.. most blame its intesity to exclude female buyer. negating 1/2 of the buying population and the fact that sport cars in general represent an fraction of the GM profit margin.. it was'nt feesable to keeep the f bod factory open.

Lets see the S2000 enjoy a 35 year history then talk to me.

at least the guy after you knows something of the 1le...

Yousealed your fate when you classified the car as one being a drag and one being a track.. unfortunately for you the 1le f- bodies can easily live in the s200 handle performance world conversely the S2000 can't hang in straight line acceleration or top end.
One car is easy to drive the other require trmedous practice to get right..

and the drag car get 18 city 29 hwy.. better milage than the S2000
so much for efficiency

Your wrong and you know it..
let me sight another statistic the S200 is the #2 Honda.. yet it changes hands more than any other.. cause is tiresoe to get hp only by gettting to the 7000 rpm level .. sadly their for sale all over.. and unlike the NSX it drops value like a rock.. cause no one wants it..
Nsx.. tend to stay in one owners possesion or a long long time

And my post was only to discribe a self proclaimed loser in every category except the 70 mph roll.. which is not possible. the Ls1 is at its prime . like i said in reality it 120hp shy and over 200ftlbs shy.. no way in hell.

now you wanna go 1le.. skid and slaloms.. you better look those up before i make a fool of you.

i live in America and so do you.. so your damn skippy i'm looking at it from an American point of view..and i was born in Italy.

yeah i guess my wifem3 , my Z06 the sti and Evo are all n handler.. even my 95 GTS 5.0 is a lightweight track car..check into those only 6000 were made.

See you don't know you competition i do..
i've never been impressed with the S2000.. sorry.. i've driven them. and they are sad under 6500rpm.. and that is a painful fact you have to live with.
i'm unsubscribed so argue amoung yourselves

PS1i its not that you not intelligent.. its that your young and unknowledgable.. ad too quick on the draw.. you be a perfect target for any of my domstics.. you think you automaticaly have some advantage.. as i blow bye you through the apex of a curve.

HAPPY HUNTING

[Ground Rat]

I agree, the S2000 would not have pulled on the SS.

[Kurtdg19]

Yeah I couldn't see how an S2000 could out accelerate any 5.7 Trim 4gen Camaro/Firebird. Like they said, it just lacks the hp/torque to compete at higher acceleration. Maybe it could manage a jump to 40 from a dead stop, but from any roll, I wouldn't think it could out accelerate it. I wouldn't suppose an S2000 being any type of intimidator in straight line performance, but for 240hp why would it? Track performance would be its epic.