B18C5, really worth it?

[projectsilvia97]

is ITR engine really worth all that money? i would like to hear some opinions from peopel who have the engine. also, if i wanted to do this swap into, lets say a '95 civc hatch, would i have to change the ecu. i was thinking about doing this in a '91 ls also, but i like smaller and lighter cars. also thought about a crx, but i would have to change the ecu and such. thanks in advance.

[Spectre927]

If you can easily afford it then do it. The engine is very nice, but the Type R isn't totally made by its engine(and tranny), because as KrNx(i think it was) said, the Type R isnt about going fast in a straight line. Even though it is badfreakinass and quick. Otherwise, just a b18b turbd to 12psi.(its all the rage)

[Spectre927]

Oh yeah, the ECU will be very necessary. A p73 I believe(if you do the swap that is)

[projectsilvia97]

so your saying it would be better to do the swap into the LS because i won't have to change the ECU? i don't really wanna go turbo though, i just wanna have an all motor engine, get all the power to the ground with some good suspension and such. just to scare the shit outa people. hey spectre927, do you know if i would have to change the ecu if i put the itr in the a 95 civic hatch?

[Ricochet]

Yes you'll have to use the c5 ECU. The engine's worth it if you have $5,000-$6,000 burning a hole in your pocket. The engine's made for high rpm road racing/autocross, as you won't beat too many fast cars in a straight line. For that same amount of money you could make a monster turbocharged LS swap running 12's in the 1/4... With a c5 you'll see 14's maybe, but definitly get cool points for having it under the hood if that's what you really want I've been there, and I guess it's cool having a bunch of people gather around the car, but then while driving around I kinda with I would have thrown the money towards speed.

[projectsilvia97]

so you think swapping a b18b in a crx, and turboing it, while keeping non-vtec would be good? yea your right, it would be "cool," but it wouldn't be that fast. so what you recommend? a turboed b18b? as much as i love vtec, i guess i'll just have to sacrifice doing the ls vtec cuz i don't really want to go through all the trouble of the lsvtec. i'll just have a tape recording of the vtec sound and put it in my car, so i can listen to it when accelerating. would you recommend a turbo kit, or just put everything together custom? what would you say about getting a b18c and doing some internal work, then turboing it? i know that the b18b would cost less to build, but which one would be more reliable? this brings me to another question. i was also thinking of just swappin the b18c in my crx, since it would be my daily driver. keep it n/a. not really looking for like an 11 second street car, but would like to sometimes hit maybe 12's, but keep it for awhile. not to blow shit up. sorry for all these damn questions Ricochet, i've read your posts before and see that you are very knowledgable. thanks in advance.

[Ricochet]

boost > vtec
A c1 (gsr) is an OK engine to turbo, but you gotta lower it's 10:1 compression to get some good turbo power to the wheels. Then you can have boost and vtec The LS engine comes stock with low compression and taller gears, which is a perfect taker for high boost. You can run about 12psi on stock internals and a base turbo kit, giving you over 230hp/230tq, and in a light Civic you'll dominate almost anything on the road. Build the internals/fuel management (injectors, pump, svafc2 or some other computer) on that beast and you'll easily have a 12 second car on slicks.

[projectsilvia97]

is there any way that i could have a 12 second street car on street tires? would you recommend boosting the b18c1 if i build up the internals? you think i could build an all motor b20 in a crx runing 12's?

[Ricochet]

You can do anything if you have the money... A B20 is another torque monster hungry for boost, but is torque enough for a good all-motor buildup I guess. I don't have any experience with those besides what's been discussed on here though, sorry. I do know that CRVtec engines are great all-motor engines with huge torque and respectable hp numbers. You sound a little confused on what you want though... you've gone from a c5, turbo ls, turbo c1, to all motor b20's... What do you want from your car? Do you want a dragstrip whore, light autocrosser, or just something to beat around the street?

[Ricochet]

Here's somebody selling a crx for $1200 and hasn't received a reply yet... better jump on it quick, those sales never last long.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...37#post1408237

[projectsilvia97]

yea, i know, i'm kinda all over the place. what i want is just a quick street car that i can drive daily to where i need to go. quick as in just 13's. something that can get all the power to the ground and scare the crap outa people. also something that can take a beating when needed. my brother has a crx with a b16, a nice suspension set up from tein, and some 16's. that thing is sweeeeet. he scares teh crap outa me all the time.

[Ricochet]

For a daily car I'd go all motor.. built turbo Hondas can get pretty fast, but having to warm up your car before driving anywhere really gets annoying. N/A engines are the most reliable to run with, especailly being a daily driver. I'd go for the c5 if you can afford it, or c1 for a bit less money... then you can turbo that one down the line if you want. The c1 is a great n/a OR boosted engine.

[projectsilvia97]

thanks for all your help and info. i really appreciate it.

[Ricochet]

Yup.. now go buy your engine and let us know how you like it, www.inlinefour.com www.hmotorsonline.com