What to do now???

95eclipse-gsx · #1 11-26-2003, 11:34 PM

hi...
i was supposed to change my timing belt for my 95 eclipse gsx... so i ordered it online 2 weeks ago...and last week after i came back from my mechanic shop.. i parked my car it worked fine... then for the next 3 days i dint even drive my car.. on the 4 th day when i got my timing belt by mail.. i thought of going to the mechanic shop to change it... i went and started my car it wont start.. the battery had charge and there was also spark... so today i towed my car to my mechanic and asked him to check.. he just tried to start it and said that the timing belt broke... so now i wanted to know.. whether my valve or valve seals inside the engine is broke or cracked or not... is there any way to find it??? my mechanic is telling me that its better for me to buy a new engine.. is that true???

NeonblueEclipse · #2 11-26-2003, 11:39 PM

dunno if its ture or not
but if u getta new engine it'll give u a new start and ull have the old engine for parts

aint helpfull i know is jus my

95eclipse-gsx · #3 11-26-2003, 11:42 PM

hmmm...
i thought of buying another used engine from ebay and then i can swap the parts... but first i want to know whether my valve seals are really cracked or broken???? how to find it out???

FourG63 97GST · #4 11-27-2003, 01:29 AM

well since its at the mechanic
hmm why dont he check it

since it wasn't driving it shouldn't be much damage, (unless he was really driving it and just told you that)

and no you dont need a new engine, just some headwork and maybe a piston or two.

doesn't sound like this mechanic is capable is doin the job neither,
and technically he fucked up the head, not you

95eclipse-gsx · #5 11-27-2003, 01:36 AM

hey thanks for the info... and how much will it cost me for the headwork and pistons??? aproximately...

95eclipse-gsx · #6 11-27-2003, 01:39 AM

and can u also plz explain me a bit about headwork???
thanks

hodunwun · #7 11-27-2003, 01:54 AM

Ok, pull the cam cover and look for valve springs that are not returning the valve stem all the way up. Look for cam followers that are lose or setting down in the head depressions. This means bent valves.

I had a 16 valve high rev when the auto tranny paused for a second between gears. Belt broke. Bent valves and cracked valve stem guides. Pistons were fine. Machine shop work on head including new valves, about $450. Pull head first and find out what you are up against.

JoeWagon · #8 11-27-2003, 05:21 PM

You don't for sure need "head work and pistons" it's just a common thing that breaks from the timing belt. Have the mechanic check it out! That's the only way you are going to find out what needs to be replaced.

Noone can guess at your cost because nobody here knows how many valves you bent or if anything else happened. Get it checked out.

kjewer1 · #9 11-27-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeonblueEclipse

dunno if its ture or not
but if u getta new engine it'll give u a new start and ull have the old engine for parts

aint helpfull i know is jus my

Where is my "English Mothafucka, do you speak it!" picture when I need it....

First of all, how does a timing belt break when a car is parked.

I Call BS. You could always pull 3 10mm bolts on the upper tbelt cover and have a look see. If it did break valves are bent, its that simple. But they are a couple bucks each, just replace the bent ones and leave the good ones. Make sure this asclown does the tbelt job right. Not to make you worry, but he makes me nervous alrady. Combine that with the fact that "mechanics" and "shops" RARELY ever get a DSM tbelt job right. It is NOT like other cars, despite what they think. At least give him the vfaq for reference. Good luck.

NeonblueEclipse · #10 11-27-2003, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95 GSXracer

Where is my "English Mothafucka, do you speak it!" picture when I need it....

First of all, how does a timing belt break when a car is parked.

I Call BS. You could always pull 3 10mm bolts on the upper tbelt cover and have a look see. If it did break valves are bent, its that simple. But they are a couple bucks each, just replace the bent ones and leave the good ones. Make sure this asclown does the tbelt job right. Not to make you worry, but he makes me nervous alrady. Combine that with the fact that "mechanics" and "shops" RARELY ever get a DSM tbelt job right. It is NOT like other cars, despite what they think. At least give him the vfaq for reference. Good luck.

sorry dude
i kant spell
and isa speaks da perrrfected anglisha

lol jk

95eclipse-gsx · #11 11-28-2003, 02:32 AM

so 95 gsx racer are u telling me that there is no way the timing belt can break while the car is not running... actually i will tell what happened again... i was drove back from my mechanic shop and parked the car at nite..and after 3 days i went and started my car...and it wont start.. me and my friends checked and there was bottery and when i towed the car to my mechanic shop he checked for spark and there was spark. so my mechanic went and started the car and there was this wheel rolling sound but it wont start.. so my mechanic said it will be your timing belt and 99% i would have damaged the valves... but when i opened the timing belt cover i can see the timing belt properly alinged with the tensioner... my guess was... if my timing belt was broken then it should be in 2 peices rite.. how come it is still in one single peice... or i also thought that i might not know the real meaning of broken timing belt... can u plz explain.. so for being a nerd.. but i seriously dunno

kjewer1 · #12 11-28-2003, 04:48 AM

Here is another reason that mechanic is a fucktard. If the timing belt is broken there will be no spark. You need a cam angle position signal to generate spark advance, and that sensor is on the intake cam, which of course requires that the intake cam be turning with the crank, via the tbelt

There is a slight chance on a 95-96 car you may still get a spark trigger from the crank angle sensor alone (they are set up differently from the 90-94 and 97-99 cars) but I highly doubt it, and I dont even remember what year the car is we are talking about...

If thebelt is broken when you remove the upper cover there will be all kinds of slack in it. It will still be in "one" piece (not sure what you mean by two pieces), but it should be continuous, like the alternator belt,or any other belt you've ever seen.

95eclipse-gsx · #13 11-28-2003, 01:12 PM

my car is 1995 as my nick says lol... the timing belt in 2 peices means that if the belt is broken it should be in more than one peice rite that is what i meant...anyway i will go and check the car again for the signs which u guys said thanks...

kjewer1 · #14 11-28-2003, 11:35 PM

A broken timing belt will not be in two pieces. I still cant figure out where you're coming up with that.. It will still be "one piece" but it wont be a continuous loop like it should be. Also keep in mind that the belt could be broken, but only between the cogs on the inside of the belt. So it has stretched essentially, but still looks fine from the outside of the belt, or the part you can see when its installed on the car.

Good luck...

95eclipse-gsx · #15 11-30-2003, 03:52 AM

lol... kevin i went checked my car again today and u know know wat my timing belt was still new.. so i asked the other mechanic in the same shop... actually that shop got 3 mechanics.. so i asked the other guy to come and have a look at the timing belt.. he checked and said ya the belt is still new

... and he said that the vlave wont be having any damage.. on hearing that i started running butt naked all around the shop :o) ... now the thing is if it is not the timing belt then what is it??? i asked the same guy again and he said it might be ur CAM sensor... but immediately i remembered reading somewhere in this site that auto cars mostly wont get crank wall... so i told him that.. and disagreed with me... does anyone have any clue whats happening with my car ???? :o(

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