Enzo vs. F1

[moslerporschefreak]

Who do you guys think would win, the Enzo or McLaren F1 (not Lm or GTR). To me, they seem a good match...

[will69camaro]

From what I've heard from a person that owns both cars the F1 is more impressive.

William

[moslerporschefreak]

Was this person Frank Selldorf? If so I probably should have checked back at this thread before asking him.

[will69camaro]

No it wasn't Frank Selldorf.

[ferrari_adidas5]

i think it would be the enzo. motor trend says that the enzo will beat the f1 by half a second in the quarter mile and .1 sec on the 0-60 sprint. it is also 1.1 seconds faster to 100 than the mclaren. the only thing i see is the f1 has it on top speed

[89Turbo944]

Ok take a F1 LM and the Enzo, Enzo loses, but i would take.......ummmmmm...which one....ahhhhhhhhh

:crazy:

[will69camaro]

I'm not bringing in statistics i was simply stating what i've heard from an owner of both cars. Enzo has better stats on a few things but he claims the F1 feels faster and is more fun to drive.

William

[moslerporschefreak]

Well, heard back from Frank Selldorf (a bona fide LM owner) and he says that some of his associates have tested the Enzo but still think the McLaren is faster. And Ferrari adidas, yeah, the Enzo has better straightline (I should have said this in the beginning) but what I meant was on a track like Nurburgring. There the cornering capabilities come into play and I don't know that the Enzo would still win. Here's what we should do. Put Tiff Needell in the F1 and Dario in the Enzo and send them around Nurburgring five times apiece and see who's fastest. And then five years from now, put Tiff in the LM and Dario in the 6000GT (assuming it ever gets produced) and send them back to Germany...

[moslerporschefreak]

Also, COMPLETELY off topic, but 89turbo, how much does a 95 300zx cost?

[freakonaleash1187]

i might be being biased a little bit, but the enzo would be faster than the base f1. and the thread starter even stated to take the enzo against the base f1, so the winner would be the enzo. to get cornering statistics:

enzo-->slalom-73 mph skidpad-->1.05g
f1-->slalom-64.5 mph skidpad-->.86g

so by those numbers, the enzo would be THEORETICALLY faster on the track being it has faster acceleration and cornering abilities.

*EDIT* a z32 n/a would probably cost about 6,000-10,000 for a good one and a z32 tt would probably cost about 10,000-15,000 for a good one.

[moslerporschefreak]

Well see that's the thing, it's too theoretical. I mean, theoretically the enzo would out pace the c-gt but apparently did not at Nurburgring. And the .86 g for the McLaren, I somehow don't trust the fundemental importance fo that figure. The topics been brought up before at the McLaren section, and there has been refuted as meaningless for several reasons that I cannot remember.

So, I guess that this thread in the end is pointless (sorry) considering that all we can do is muse, unless someone out there has tested both around the same track (an interesting subject to research maybe...). Otherwise, yeah, it is pretty meaningless to guess. Oh well, maybe if we all got together, robbed some banks and bought both...

[moslerporschefreak]

found it, here's the explanation by Peloton25 (someone who has a lot of knowledge on the F1):

"It doesn't have a rear sway bar - of course it won't do well on a skidpad. Who the hell cares though??

Skidpad ratings have very little merit on how a car will handle in the real world. You're talking about a 600+ hp car circling what is most likely a 300ft diameter circle for a couple of laps to establish this rating. Where will you ever do that in real life? The closest thing to that would be a cloverleaf on ramp - and I guarantee if we strapped you in to the F1 and took you around one of those you'd probably wet your panties.

Quick note - During development of the F1, lead test driver Jonathan Palmer told Gordon Murray he thought the F1 needed a rear sway bar. Gordon disagreed, stating that it would make the F1 twitchy at high speeds. Gordon fitted one anyway, and after just a few laps in the car Palmer came back in and stated the car was nearly undrivable at the limit. Hence the lack of rear bar.

The F1 is designed to understeer at the limit as most cars do. This allows the drive to induce oversteer with a quick stab of the throttle. A good dirver can control it well - and the F1 is a car that fully rewards good drivers.

You would rather have a Hennessey Viper, huh? Obviously you spend to much time reading the bogus reviews of that car in Motor Trend and probably didn't catch the real world story of what a crook John Hennessey has been.

Hennessey's Vipers are fast, but lawsuits say he serves them up too slowly.

Yeah - I'd much rather throw my money at John Hennessey. Give us a break - and take your flame baiting somewhere else."

[NISSANSPDR]

I'd take a Mclaren F1 LM anyday over an Enzo...just as good in real world terms but looks 10x better

[moslerporschefreak]

Yeah, no doubt I would take the Mac even though I really like the concept of F1 paddle shifting for the track.

[Mr Payne]

Enzo would destroy the F1 on the track. Straight line speed benefits the F1 certainly though.