amsoil

[enduro93]

does anyone use amsoil?

[joebowlr21]

I use it. Awesome stuff.I use their 7500 mile oil, but still change my oil every 3500 just cuz i like workin on my car.

[Ace$nyper]

i will be using it with my new motor i've read *in CR* that its the best out there.

[sracing]

Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.

We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)

Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.

Jim
SR Racing

[chadwoodworth]

Originally Posted by sracing

Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.

We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)

Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.

Jim
SR Racing

What Amsoil oil did you test? No mention of that.
If you're going to start flaming a company stick to the facts. If what you say is true. Prove it.

[joebowlr21]

Originally Posted by sracing

Amsoil is not a "bad" oil, but it is hardly the best and it is very overpriced.

We (SR Racing) did some oil testing (dyno) with a couple other labs. (Lubrication Sciences). By far, for typical internal cumbustion engine use Mobile One was superior. All other name brand synthetics were very good. (As was Amsoil) However Amsoil was rated suspect due to the fact that their blends varied significantly in batch to batch. (Never failing any tests, but a real indication of lack of quality control over contract vendors). It was assumed this was the case due to them often using short term contracts with their blenders. (No, they do NOT make their own oils. <g>)

Combined with the fact Amsoil uses very suspect advertising methods, has more salesman than customers and makes false claims re: several fleet tests that we followed up on. (They NEVER occured.), we simply wouldn't recommend it. It is however, more than adequate oil for your street car.

Jim
SR Racing

I would like to see these reports...please post or i call BS!

It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.

And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?Just ridiculous.

Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.

[sracing]

>I would like to see these reports...please post or i call BS!<

Call it anything you choose. We do testing for $. We would be happy to test whatever you like for money. (BTW, The tests that we were doing were NOT done for Mobil 1. ) Nor were they done for any competitor of Amsoil.

>It's funny you say Mobil is superior, but in all test done by many labs, mobil was the worst synthetic oil with the most "scaring" on engine parts.<

And, I would like to see these reports. Please post or I call BS!

>Many companies tested it and they all say they would rather run Havoline Synthetic, which tested very high and is a very good oil, then Mobil anyday.<

And you of course have these reports also?

>And your reports better not sound like that stupid Mobil commercial with the benz.....laboratory test my ass, how can you test and grade your own oil?<

"better not sound..." Is this a threat?

>Just ridiculous.<

No, what is ridiculous is Amsoil's flagrant use of customer testimonials with nothing to verify them. And non existant fleet tests. (Diluth MN, Police tests, and more.) (Call them. Do some simple verification. You don't need $500K of dyno (etc) equipment to find out some of AMSOIL'S bogus claims.

And.. remember, I never said, nor did our tests indicate Amosoil was bad oil. It is just very expensive, has more sellers than customers (ala Amway), and provides nothing over other synths.

>Also, Amsoil also states by testing that their gear box lube(75-140w) increases gas mileage by 4.75% or something very close to tha tnumber on the bottle.<

Aha! Another bougus claim. Feel free to drop by our place any time, with your choice of cars (engines etc.) We would be happy to show you that AMsoil will not only NOT provide 4.75% over any other synthetic, it won't even provide it over the cheapest dinosaur base oil. Engine or chassis dyno, testing for raw fuel consumption. HP, BSFC. or heat dissapation, or most any other test you want. It (Amsoil) will do fine, but it won't do any better (if as good) as any other synthetic.
Anyone who makes a general claim of percentages this high with ANY oil is lying, since the range of frictional losses in the internal combustion engine aren't close to that high.

BTW, F1 (and CART previously) spent more money testing and validating engine oils than most anyone. Most CART teams use Mobile 1 right out of the bottle. (I have been there. Several F1 teams do also.)
I am aware of none using AMSOIL. (BTW, there is no Race Santioning body requirement that they use a sponsor's oil. They simply use the best. (I am aware of a couple NASCAR teams that even use Valvoline. Again, none that use AMSOIL.) Many other race teams use RedLine, Royal Purple and some specialty blends.

A final note... Regarding unbiased testing. I noticed that AMSOIL has just started posting another test on their web site. A test that THEY are controlling on 4? Busses! Please look it over. It is totally bogus, with no controls, no blinds or valid statistics. However, like the old "Diluth Fleet tests" they will tout some miraculous findings.

But, feel free to continue to use (and sell ? ) Amsoil. It won't hurt a thing, other than your wallet.

Jim
SR Racing

[igor@af]

Jim, you know too much.

Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there?

I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .

[sracing]

Originally Posted by igor@af

Jim, you know too much.

Does it hurt to be this much wiser than the vast majority of the people out there?

I am thinking we could almost turn your posts into articles for www.automotivearticles.com .

We all have our burden to carry.

I think I mentioned our exchange of legal letters with Amsoil? Anytime anyone sings the praises of Amsoil, I get passionate.

Thanks for the nice article BTW.

Jim
SR

[BlitzKeg]

nice post jim,

An amsoil guy approched me and wanted me to sell some oil for him as a part time job.

He was driving a busted down smoking suburban from 1979 or something, anyways it was a rust bucket.
He looked like he was living out of it, anyways the point is I wouldn't trust that guy to piss on me if i was on fire, much less sell me some synthetic oil.

I think there is too much hype about synthetic oils, regular fossil oils work good and save you a load of cash.
The only time you really need synthetic oil is if you have a special application, other than that quit wasting money, its all in your head.
It's like the myth of higher octane gas will make a bone stock n/a civic go faster. The car is disigned for regular octane gasoline, if anything high octane is slowing the car down by igniting just after top dead center.

Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.

BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?

[sracing]

Originally Posted by BlitzKeg

nice post jim, ....

....Anyways, good showing those guys the truth, its funny how they handled it.

BTW does SR racing have a website or anything, like that?

Thanks. It has always appeared to me that many Amsoil dealers have taken up Amsoil as almost a religion. They are as offended when you take Amsoil to task as if you were to attack their supreme being.

Interestingly enough I saw a claim here about Amsoil that referenced a company that did some "oil tests" touting Amsoil as the best. When I tracked down the company it turned out to be an Amsoil dealer. AND.. that web site was "Sponsored by Jesus Christ" It also had a forum asking posters to "list experiences of where prayers to God were answered". I guess if God sponsors (and assumably uses) Amsoil, who are we to argue?

Allthough God himself would laugh at Amsoil's flagrant use of the "4 Ball Test" as most telling info for the internal combustion engine. And.... it would take a miracle by God to improve mileage or hp 10% with an oil. Not to mention a 40 degree temp drop. Even God couldn't do that. But being religious folks, the laws of physics never hamper their belief in the supernatural.

As I said, it isn't "bad stuff", it just isn't any better and sometimes not as good as much cheaper stuff. I suppose though, that one could argue, it's better for the economy to buy Amsoil. Look at the chain of retailers it supports.

We have several (web sites), but www.sracing.com is one.

Jim
SR

[BlitzKeg]

LMAO.......being sponsored by jesus gives you 10% increse in hp, and better fuel milage you know.

[Stickin_It_2_Em]

B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. Here is the proof that Amsoil is the best, and Mobil suck the cock! http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache...+results&hl=en
http://www.authorized-amsoil-dealer-...1-results.html
http://www.revsearch.com/dynamometer...results_1.html
http://www.go-synthetic.com/amsoil_t...l_testing.html
These are just a few sites that are out there. Just go to Google and type "amsoil test results" You can kiss my ass later! So Jim I showed you mine show me yours!

[igor@af]

Do you not realize that all of these websites are Amsoil dealer sites?

Find an INDEPENDENT study done testing the different oils with such results. Jim was a part of one, and he told you what the results were.

This is utterly stupid.....

[sracing]

Originally Posted by Stickin_It_2_Em

These are just a few sites that are out there. Just go to Google and type "amsoil test results" You can kiss my ass later! So Jim I showed you mine show me yours!

As usual, what is posted are some tests posted by Amsoil DEALERS!

I am not an Amsoil, or Mobile 1 or any other dealer. Lubrication Sciences are not dealers. It seems our tests vary.

AND.. I suspect YOU are a dealer. Since there as as many dealers as there are users of Amsoil it's a sucker bet.

Why don't OUR engine dyno and chassis dyno tests show ANY benefits of AMSOIL? We race our engines on road courses all over the country. If there was 1 HP or 1 MPG to be gained don't you think we would use it? Don't you think other engine builders and teams would use it? NONE do. Why? To expensive?

As I said, Amsoil dealers are more of a religion than anything else. You pick on Amsoil and it's like picking on your religion.

BTW, a 4 Ball test is hardly the best test for an internal combustion engine oil test.

Here is an offer for you.....

We have dyno's here that you can test on.. Bring your stuff here and let's test it back to back. We won't charge you anything if you can show ANY performance, economy, or temperature benefits.

SO, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.... (and not the same old Amsoil dealer 4 ball test.)