true, im not doing much rock crawling down here in florida, and my x takes me where i want to go, but to see those wranglers going into the muck of ocala national forest is something else. but on the otherhand they are using big boggers on a lot of them, i guess it's all relevant to where you live or where you go wheelin and the amount of experience of the driver, im just saying a stock 4wd x versus a stock 4wd wrangler and the wrangler could do a lot more off the showroom floor, but don't get me wrong, i will never own a jeep, i love my xterra way to much.