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I should also add that I have a 2002 Grand Caravan and have had to have both rocker panels repaired because of rust through. Van was neglected by previous owner. I bought it with about 70K miles and I've done probably $2-3K in repairs I'd blame mostly on poor maintenance. This is the main reason I tend to blame the owner and not the manufacturer although I wish the manufacturer would make things a little more idiot proof and just charge a few more bucks so their cars could withstand poor maintenance better.