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Originally Posted by drunken monkey
the more you type, the more confused your position seems to me.
you started this thread with the basic premise that you don't consider it fair for scratchbuilt models to be competing in the same arena as built kit models, mainly because of the typically high level of 'engineering', especially in the bigger scales.
however, you are now saying that is valid for people to commision parts, from those with machining capabilties, for their models.
you also say that a person doesn't deserve extra credit for mahining their own parts versus buying or commisioning parts.
I don't quite see how those three statements can work together.
surely if you consider it valid to commision parts for a kit built model, then you must also consider that a fair competitor to fully scratchbuilt models, especially seeing you do say that scratchbuilding parts itself doesn't deserve extra credit
i.e, it isn't the scratch building/machining that is being judged.
what's to stop you to commision parts equal to those you saw at the extreme end of the scratchbuilt spectrum?
if it is viable as you say it is, why would you still need/want to seperate built kits and scratch builds?
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Again, when I started talking about SB, I'm talking about 100%, you do everything. That's what I said in the beginning and what I say now.
What I'm saying about "commissioned" parts is it's ok for small amounts of work (fire extinguisher bottle example), similar to what you'd get in an aftermarket setting.
First, I think that no model should get "extra credit" in any form. I think they should be judged as equally as possible, regardless of whether you did everything in the manufacture of it or if it's a "shake 'n bake" kit.
I'm really thinking of the 100% SB example in looking at the commissioning question. If you are going to tackle something like this, *more than likely* you will have a mill and lathe set up. (Let's assume this for argument's sake--I understand that there will be some who don't. Let's ignore those few for the moment.) If you have an M&L set up, you should be able to make (or the capacity to learn to do) most anything with it. Therefore, you wouldn't really need to commission anyone for any type of machining work. I don't give much leeway on that because if you have the tools, you have no excuses. Learn to use them. That's what this hobby is all about, anyway (learning to use the tools you have).
Now, if you don't have an M&L set up, doing an "extreme" SB becomes much more daunting of a task. There are other modalities, of course (resin casting, styrene and metals, etc). For the sake of argument, because this category is a minutely small segment of a niche category, I think we can ignore this population.
I hopes this gives you a bit more clarity on my thinking.