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Originally Posted by MojoMan317717

Look dude, I'm not going to get into it with you, but it is very easy to install a hydroxy booster on a vehicle and see a 20-30% gain in fuel economy. People all over the USA are doing it. True, it's not for the faint of heart, or those looking for something plug-n-play, but with a little effort it can and does work, and I'm not selling anything, and neither are the many people I know who have done it. Yes there are failures, just like there are failures when guys try to install nitrous injection and don't know what they are doing. There are plenty of dumb people doing dumb things, but let's not let the minority speak for the majority. Hydroxy boosting absolutely definitively works when done right!

Why are you answering my post anyway?? Do you drive a Lumina with a 3.1 and a hydroxy booster?

Originally Posted by MojoMan317717

No worries! I'll be laughing all the way to the bank with my 20-30% fuel economy savings!

It's amazing to me how ignorance continues to prevail on this subject. Just because it's not plug-n-play easy, doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact many many people are succesfully doing it. If you were willing to take your head out of your @#$% for 5 seconds you might have the time to genuinely research the topic for yourself. There is an entire community of open source hydroxy booster designers and users who are not trying to make any money, and are not scamming anyone, but are simply helping people learn how to design simple hydroxy boosters and successfully install them on their cars. Like the now famous Linux free software community which has helped thousands of people break free from the tyranny of Microsoft, these people are interested in the propogation of a technology that works modestly well now, and with more minds working on it every day, hopefully even better in the future.

I'm not talking about a car running on 100% water dude. This is just a small amount of hydroxy gas added to the fuel and air mixture to increase the efficiency of the fuel burn, and thus see a modest gain in fuel economy.

What's your deal anyway?? Are you an oil company executive or something??

Originally Posted by MojoMan317717

I can't believe you geniuses are smart enough to be good mechanics, but can't understand the concept of hydroxy boosting.

It only takes 10-20 amps of power to run an HHO booster. Most alternators easily have that much spare energy available assuming the car is not running all the electronics simultaneously. The small amount of HHO (approximately 1 liter per minute) being produced by the booster enhances the air fuel mixture increasing the efficiency of the combustion, thus increasing both horespower and fuel economy.

Yes, you are correct about the loss of energy when transfering from one form to another, but what you fail to recognize is that there is a tremendous amount of petroleum fuel not being burned during every single power stroke of the engine. Said another way, the HHO booster is leveraging the fact that there is a great deal of potential energy being wasted in the form of unburned fuel during every power stroke. THIS FACT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD, AS THIS IS WHERE THE GAINS COME FROM!!!

If there were already a 100% fuel burn, the HHO would not offer nearly as much benefit, if any at all. However, the fact is that, depending on the vehicle, anywhere from 25-40% of the fuel goes unburned during each power stroke. The HHO is a catalyst to increase the combustion and more completely burn the fuel.

Look, I'm not selling anything, and I'm not promoting anyone who is. This hydroxy booster thing truly works. It's not plug and play, and if it's not done with caution, bad things can definitely happen, because HHO gas is extremely powerful stuff. One of the reasons there are so many horror stories out there is because lots of guys who know nothing about cars are excited about the possibilities this technology offers and they get in over their head trying to do things with their cars that they don't fully understand. That doesn't prove the technology is a failure. It merely proves that there are stupid people. The same stupid people who make mistakes doing ordinary things to their cars.

Rather than mocking and denying the facts, wouldn't it be a refreshing change if some guys like you with serious car knowledge would get on board and help people working with HHO boosting to tune their cars to operate successfully. If that happened, there would probably be less horror stories and more success stories, and then we could all buy less oil from frickin Saudi Arabia!!

Here is a link to an HHO forum with a results section. If you can muster up an open mind for 10 minutes, go check it out for yourself. Not everyone is getting great results (stupid or inexperienced), but many many are getting 20-30% fuel economy gains: http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum-Results

Originally Posted by MojoMan317717

I don't want to question your skills, but there are many valid questions I might ask you concerning your "experiment" with an HHO booster. As I've indicated numerous times previously it's NOT PLUG AND PLAY, and requires a significant amount of skill to first build a decent HHO booster that runs cool and at low amperage (that's difficult in and of itself), then you need to correctly install it on the vehicle, and then modify the tuning of the vehicle to work with the new air/fuel ratio. It's not easy, and though I'm sure you are able to do it, maybe just maybe you didn't do everything right, and maybe you didn't give it a really good effort because you don't really believe in the technology.

This is my last post here, as I have a life and can't waste anymore time trying to convert the unbelieving. Bottom line is that many many people are successfully managing to see 20-30% fuel economy gains. Sure there are scammers out there, but I've been lucky enough to find an open source community of decent people committed to helping one another adapt this technology to their vehicles, and they aren't scammers. Their just regular red blooded Americans who have found a small way to save some money and help all of us need a little less of that damn Middle East oil.

Hydroxy boosting works, no matter what you have falsely believed.

BTW, you got to love how the story changed. (Thanks MT-2500 for highlighting the older post)

First it's easy, later it's hard and complex to do it right. Then we'll see a modest increase in fuel economy, which turns out to be 20-30%

BTW, I checked out the forum mentioned.
There are three different results sets. One group just seems to post results with nothing to back them. Another posts all sorts of technical details, and sees no difference :-)

The third is the most fun.
Example

RE: Post Your Results
2001 Saturn 5 speed 1.9 L
62580 miles
dual map enhancer ( city / hwy )
15 plate ss hho generator
Scan gauge for readings
Hypermile every chance like 38 psi in tires /coast whenever possible etc
used to get 30 MPG in city stock... now avg over 60 MPG... hard to belive but the scan gauge does not lie

Now, he's gone from 30mpg normal, to 60mpg when hypermileing, gee what a surprise. nothing to do with the crap he's bolted on his engine at all. It's the same for all the results I'd guess. They've spent this money on this crap and they'll DAMNED better get some results, even if they've had to change their driving style to get it.

Morons...

Edited to add:
I used to work with some of the guys on Mythbusters (on the show Battlebots) I'm going to drop them a line about this stuff, see if I can push Grant or Jamie into looking into it. I know they did a pure hydrogen fuel-cell in 06, but not a HHO additive mix thing.