[sad-lumina-owner]

Originally Posted by jeffcoslacker

There is a turnbuckle e-brake adjuster under every car ever built...when are you gonna stop ripping on the Lumina?

If you don't like it, sell the damn thing and buy a Honda. Since you live up north, it will be a rusty hunk of crap one day too.

Who's picking on the Lumina? or even GM?

A bad design is a bad design.

A bad design on purpose is a criminal act.

You misunderstand. I own a GM because I'm in North America, and it used to be a good car manufacturer. I own a Lumina by sheer accident. I don't doubt that if I owned any other GM, or any other car, I'd have a similar list of problems.

If every civil engineer built bridges that fell down all the time, killing people, they'd all be incompetant and criminal both.

Just because I happen to sue the one who kills my family near my house doesn't mean I don't want to see them all hung.

Similarly, when I say for instance that Cheney is a mass murderer, I don't want you to think that therefore Hillary Clinton, McCain, or Obama AREN'T criminal psychopaths capable of mass murder.

Likewise, if I were to suggest that the CIA sells drugs, the FBI covers up false flag state sponsored terrorism like the WTC, and the ATF commits mass murder of women and children in WACO, I wouldn't want you get the impression that other cops who taser arrestees are honest.

engineers and the companies who hire them have no excuse. They aren't uneducated bumpkins who can't use a calculator to give the bottom line.

They know exactly what they are doing when the order comes from headoffice:

"That part lasts 70,000 kilometers. Make it last exactly 60,000 kilometers instead."

We don't have problems that bad down here. Drive in a lotta salt slush, and get a lotta undercarriage rust? Who would a thought it? Someone didn't keep it clean...that's not gM's fault.

"..down here." What kind of a jackass attitude is that? Jesus didn't answer the guy who asked "Who is my neighbour?". He said, ask instead, "Who can I be a better neighbour to?"

"...that's not GM's fault."

But it's GM's plan and GM's choice to look the other way when mechanics all over North America fail to include a simple step when you pay for a Lube and Oil. Is it the customer's fault when they PAY FOR a LUBE and the mechanic doesn't bother to do what is obviously mandatory?

When I pay a mechanic to look after my car, he f**king well should look after it, not ignore problems and profit by his neglect.

By /94 (or earlier) GM (and others) started removing grease-nipples from tie-rod ends and other components, KNOWING that these parts would then wear out and fail, sometimes indeed killing people on the highway.

And mechanics got to shrug their shoulders and say, "Its not OUR fault.", and pocket the savings by using less grease while charging more for their services, and making more money doing needless repairs.

Here's a tip, check the subframe cradle to body mounts...they're probably ready to drop the cradle out on the road. Happens a lot on northern-driven Luminas that didn't see enough washes in the winter...

And here's a better tip. All you Lumina owners (especially Canadians) should get a thorough bottom shampoo, heat and blow dry it, and then have a spectacular undercoating job done, because the manufacturer of the car SHOULD HAVE DONE SO BUT DIDN'T, even though they are in the best position to do so when the car is made.

And if Ralph Nader had any real balls he'd have forced all the car manufacturers to include that as a safety and quality requirement.

And all imports that didn't meet those standards would be disallowed into the USA, saving jobs, and keeping the quality of life and standard of living as high as it was in 1950.