[maxwedge]

Yeh, take it back to them and ask them what was 200.00 for it takes 15 minutes to do the updates. Plus I meant to ask you about the $600 spent, if this was the shop's idea, and it did not fix the problem how about a refund. The problem was evident at the dealer, but they couldn't get it to " mess up", doesn't sound right here. Understandably there is an air of desperation here, but if 2 dealers can't pinpoint this problem after 800 of seeming unecessary repairs, sitting at our desks we stand no chance of solving this. Unless the pcm it self is at fault here and they are mssing it, everything I mentioned so far are some of the issues that can cause these symptoms.