[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by MrPbody

Fellas,

Relax. Your mega-buck (make sure you explain just how much MONEY it takes to get a 6 to run like you describe) Jap cars run fine. The category here is RACING, not STREETING... And save your "They aren't THAT expensive" argument. I build engines (including Mitsis and Toys) for a living. They ARE that expensive.

If money is an issue, then you are in the wrooooong hobby. End of story.

Every time someone asks about an entry-level race car, I recommend what is easiest and least expensive for a learning tool. Invariably, someone calls me out on this stuff. I go to the track about 20 times a year, between customers, shows and own-stuff "fun". The ricers are outnumbered 20 to 1 and seldom win ANYTHING.

You've obviously never been to the track in an import. Basically, what happens is, we show up, and we get booed and told to go home because we don't need 15Liters to go fast. Then we run a fast time, and we are told we cheat or got lucky or whatever. So ya, we tend not to show up because of the hasle that inbred rednecks dish out is just not worth it at times.

That's why they keep to themselves and have their own sanctioning body, which, BTW, bans all American made 8 cylinder engines, and some of the better running 4s and 6s.

Then it wouldn't be an IMPORT leauge if they had American cars, would it? Logic>j00

See, we don't race magazines, we race CARS. Not unlike the Patriots against the Giants, you must actually run the race!

And I do run the race, and I do win.

And understand, if built to the same level as that 230 MPH Supra, a V8-powered Camaro will go near 300 (TA/FC).

I have never seen a Camaro run 300mph. Ever. Especially not in the same class (street class) that the aformentioned Thommy Bahn Supra was running. Your telling me that a Camaro witha 3.4L I6 and big turbo will run 230mph from a standstill in under a mile. You are an idiot. The only cars that were running with him were Twin Turboed V10 Vipers. The cars running faster were in a purpose built class.

Yes, I've seen the NOPI stuff and their high 6 second times. I've also seen the NHRA "Sport Compact" FWD 4-cylinder American cars go deeper into the 6s.

Good for them.

And you're right. There IS no replacement for displacement. For the same money one can build a monster Toyota 6 (7-800 HP range)

What kind of engine builder are you? You can get about 700 crank on a Poopra on the stock internals with new fuel system. A monster Supra will have more than 1k at the wheels.

that may complete 20 passes down the 1/4 mile before it burns or breaks something, one can build a BBC that makes the same power, for YEARS. Turbos and nitrous wreak havoc on the longevity of an engine.

Might wanna call Woon or Kean or the guys at Titan and let them know that...

That 1,000 HP Toyota you speak of costs more to build than a Brad Anderson Hemi... A BA Hemi makes about 8,000...

How much does one cost? From Boostlogic, their top of the line 3.4L Stroker 2JZ, fully built turnkey, capable of 1500+ ponies, is 13k. Oh, and as a hopeful future Supra owner, I take great pride that you have to use a fully built top fule race motor to shoot down a 3.4L Streetable six cylinder.

This was not intended as a "mine is better than yours". It is to help educate a newbie without clouding his mind with a bunch of pie-in-the-sky. Of course, if he DOES have an extra 30 or 50K lying around

Pie in the sky? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have any clue on how cheap it is to make an import fast? Just as cheap as any domestic. Listen, your the person that screws it up and clouds minds. There is just as much room in my dream garage for a 77 Trans Am as there is for a 98 Supra Turbo as there is for a TT C6 Z06 as there is for a three rotor race ported FD with a big turbo as there is for a Murcielago as there is for a 997 Turbo. All cars can, and will, be fast with the right touch. I'm telling the OP that if he wants to kick ass and take names, he can do it just as well at the same cost as your beloved Big Blocks.

Gimme a break and stop rationalizing your own choices.

No. You stop rationalizing yours. Mine was perfectly rationalized when I lined up against a Mustang GT, with a full fucking TWICE the displacement of my motor, RWD, designed for drag racing, and I whuped his ass with just an intake.

Jim

Rob