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First of all i have gone 118 in my 87' celica. in the process of making it faster as we speek:sun:. As for the MTX issue. 8000's are the way to go if you have the money or a good hook up. Unfortunetly to make full use of the 8000's you need power. With only 4 ohms 8000 12's go from 23-150 mhz, where as the 4000's only go 29-150 mhz. Now those are just retail figures but they are + or - 2 to 3 ohms corect. As jet said already it is the incloser though. I have seen 2-12" 8000's powered outthe ass but sounded like crap.
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