MT youre the man, many thanx on your assistance , i found that its the wire for the led bar stop lamp thats my problem, it never worked in the first place so ill just leave it disconnected. I couldnt have done it with out ya, thanx a bunch, next time i have my interior gutted ill go ahead and try to find the short but until i have a few hundered for a new led lamp im not worried HAHA success.