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Wouldn't an unvoluntary sex act though be rape?
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Yes, involuntary sex could be classified as rape. (and we may be agreeing here, I don't recall all the posts)
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Originally Posted by Muscletang
Not for ever but at one point you were a smoker. Was it brief and short? Yes. Being a smoker though is smoking right? If you were smoking at a point then you were a smoker correct?
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IMO it can be a fine line. I'd say at 13, "you smoked". How many smokes does it take to become a smoker? Do you have to be addicted? I think the same choice that led you to experiment is the same choice you make further and further down the line. I mean in this example you can't say that smoking is pleasurable, every person I've ever known that smoked said they coughed and choked and felt ill the first time, and those symptoms are generally seen to be unpleasurable.
I did a web search for "define smoker". The definitions varied from as simple as a simple single episode (Illinois law) to "a person 15 years old or older who smokes daily". There was also "habitual use of tobacco products". So there's a wide interpretation, depending on the view of the writer.
I can't see classifying smoking a single cigarette as making a smoker, for more than the time it took to try it. "I was a smoker for 5 minutes"
So in the same vein, does a single homosexual act for experimentation make a person a homosexual forever? Or does it, perhaps, fall under the experimentation, as did that one cigarrette? If someone has a homosexual experience, one time, and never again even thinks of doing it again, are they a homosexual, or someone who tried something they didn't like?