[garync1]

Thanks again for all the info.. Rodeo I wish I had your dealer service. I found out the service guys and the parts guys dont get along at my dealer. When I told them every time I tried to get them to drop the pan they say Ford does'nt recomend it. The parts guy rolled his eyes and said your doing the right thing..I asked "why you say"?? In other words he said it was less trouble and easy money for the fluid exchange than it would be for the fluid and filter change. Less than 15min but they charge an hour is what I was told by the parts guy.Which my service sheet said 1.0 labor as well.. An as for my drain plug I went to NAPA they did not have any and they are the main stock store.. Advanced Auto were out of them so i got lucky with the ebay one. One of the main reasons for the drain plug is 1. less mess and the other drain tranny pan at the same time as oil change to keep fluid as fresh as I can between filter changes.I know all fluid want drain because of the torque converter so at least 6quarts of fresh fluid would help..Lewis will a step down bit work on metal that thick?? I used one once on a floor board fix on a VW bug worked great but the tranny pan seems to be a harder metal..Thanks again...Gary