Hi Chris, thanks for the info, but the starter doesn't grunt there is just a click, like a dead battery or a dirty/loose connection. Doesn't anybody "fix" or repair anything anymore instead of replace. The alt probably just needed brushes and the starter is most likely a worn spot on the solenoid. I guess what I'm really asking for is $200 for an alt and $275 for a starter reasonable and does anyone who lives in that area know of some place else to go to. I can do those myself a lot cheaper and it just kills me to pay that much