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Originally Posted by mellowboy
Dont sit here and agree with someone who has very little knowledge of Islam. This is not about religion.
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I agree, this particular discussion isn't about religion. It's about language and the meaning of words. Your original complaint was that Moussaoui was quoted out of context and you supplied an entire verse for our information and we asked some questions. Before this gets any more heated, all I'd like to know is this: does the verse say fight and subdue or doesn't it? And I am very much aware there are many ways to fight, violent and nonviolent.
You gave us the entire verse for clarification and I just want to know if it says what it says. I looked at the entire verse you supplied, and --- I'm sorry, man, but it still says the same thing; in fact, it elaborates on Moussaoui's paraphrasing.
Whether true Islam is violent towards the "infidel" or not, I really don't give a rip. We've seen plenty of violence in the name of Islam. Shame on them. There's been plenty of misguided violence in the name of Christianity, too. Shame on them as well.
One thing I find interesting: verse 1A talks about immunity. Immunity from what? Since you use that verse specifically along with verse 29, does it mean immunity from fighting and subjugation? Since it mentions contracted alliances, what happens to those with whom the believers have no contracts?
Who is Craig Winn?