when the problem started getting bad, i replaced the alternator with one from GM. when that didnt fix the problem, i got a hi output alternator from my work. and it still hasnt fixed the problem. 2 bad alternators in a row? i know that is quite possible but it just doesnt seem right. oh, i forgot to put this in my original post....when i start it in the morning, it will be fine, and will stay fine until it heats up. if people are going to be sarcastic , then dont bother replying. just trust me when i say the alternator is not the problem.