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Old 01-13-2006, 04:39 PM
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Um, I know England very well too, and I have been to the Lotus factory to witness the building of Elise, Exige, and VX alike. We all know what the Exige is, and what the 340R is. I have an Elise myself. Why do you keep explaining what they are?

I repeat, the S1 Exige and the 340R are not more hardcore than the Federal Elise. They have less power, less acceleration, less top speed, and less lateral grip.

I know Rover doesn't exist. I know the VX and VXR 220 share the Elise's chassis and are made by Lotus for GM. Why do you keep quoting things we already know? The Federal Elise is quicker around a track and better handling than the VX220 and the VX220 Turbo. Go watch some Fifth Gear, and read some Autocar and Evo for the comparos. Elise comes out the winner everytime in both track laps and handling/grip tests.

The VXR is a one off for promotional purposes of the VXR line. Only 60 were made. If you want to compare that to a Lotus then you pick the 240R Exige, which will spank the VXR and its cast-iron block.

The understeer was introduced so people could drive the car hard and not kill themselves, since this is a daily driver for most people, YES, TONS OF PEOPLE DRIVE IT TO WORK DAILY, ON THE STREET, IN ENGLAND. Hence my "on the street" comment.

For the track, there's the SPORTS PACKAGE, which is NOT understeer biased. Go watch your little Top-Gear show, the exact episode you mentioned, and LISTEN UP when Gavin Kershaw (that's his name BTW), principal vehicle dynamics engineer for Lotus, tells Jeremy that TO ELIMINATE THE UNDERSTEER BIAS, they offer wider tires, i.e. the SPORTS PACKAGE.

It has nothing to do with ENGLAND or windy roads. Stop blabbering nonsense.

Anyway, I'm glad you like the cars. They're awesome.

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Originally Posted by noshun
point 1. HOLY NECROPOSTER!!

2. the Exige is and Elise with a roof, not detachable, they handles better and the Rover K-series Engine was retuned giving 185hp it hard harder suspension and aerodynamic aids, the 340R was an Elise but weighed a crap load less as it has hardly any panels whatsoever.

The toyota motor does make more hp than the rover motor, all of the elise's now have the vvti. Rover doesn't exist and hasn't for over a year now so it woulnd't be building engines, the suspesion of a vxr220 is the same but with slightly different damper rates, it is just a rebodied elise made by the same people in the same factory. the Vx220 was only a 2.2 ecotec for a short time before the vx220 turbo came out and then became the vxr220, 220hp from a turbo'd 2.0 ecotec, the same motor as the Cobalt SS S/C but turbo not s/c'd it also the exect same as the saab 9-3 aero 2.0l turbo. it was a lot faster the original vx only had 140hp but the turbo was a completely different story. The understeer was actually because a lot of people lost control of series 1 elises as the used to snap into oversteer, the understeer was introduced so that on the limit it makes you back off, result = less accidents. u/steer for city driving make no sense! you are tlaking about a car developed firstly for use in ENGLAND, a country i know exteremely well as i am english and they are made for the winding country roads, not for driving to work! I have seen a Lotus Engineer explaining the u/steer on TOP GEAR the english show and he showed how to push it into oversteer.