well learning how a car behaves on slippery surfaces is important, but still sometimes the car reacts differently than what you'd expect from it... just 2 days ago we had the first minus temperatures over here and I was coming home late... the is a long right turn which is wide and I love to powerslide through the whole turn during the winter ( have done it in my 518, and my 320 in the past) so now I have the 325 which doesn't require much to get sideways... so seing the small icey surface I thought I'd give it the first go for the winter... the problem was that the road wasn't completly covered with ice so there were only spots that are slippery... I tried to ignore this fact and tried my famous powerslide that I have done so many times, the result was very heavy understeer instead, close to hitting the curb atlast it hit a dry spot so I got lucky... afterwards I wondered how this could happen, and the only explanation I have is that when I tried to get the tail out my fron tires were on ice and the rear tires on dry tarmac so they pushed the car forward instead of brraking the rear loose... luckily nothing happened, but mixed surfaces can be very unpredictable even if you know how to control skids... BTW has anyone seen the dvd the drift bible??? I got it 2 years ago... its a nice guide to drifting