you sounded rude. anyway the reason why i asked is because i called my dealer and their computers are down and they can't look up any prices right now. they would have to call another dealership and call me back. so that's why i thought i would ask. i didn't know i had to look at the dates of the posts. i could have just posted a new topic but it would have been the same so what is the difference if i reply to an old thread or start a new one??