[BlackGT2000]

I am not taking sides here at all. I agree that Buick and Oldsmobile have been making boring cars and I really don't know or really care how they run, they spark no interest in me. However, I don't think GM is in any major trouble. Cutting 25000 people isn't as bad as it seems. It happens all the time and it will continue to as long as things get more efficient. The US Navy has cut 30000 sailors in the last 2 years, is the navy weaker? No, its just more automated and we don't need people to do some of the things we used to do manually in the past. It may have been a bit behind the times and needed to catch up with other companys that already were more efficient and may have just not hired those workers to begin with. The fact is that GM is pretty much kicking butt in the SUV dept. To say they are evil for making something environemtally friendly is pretty short sighted. All auto makers in america are after a piece of the SUV craze, even toyota, nissan, and now honda (and of course all the other american car companies). Its a business, they aren't out to help the environment, they are out to sell cars. I think that GM trucks and full size cars have always been competitive. I think there is plenty of fanboys on both sides of this issue. As the issue stands now in 05 I think that chevy has been putting out some cool stuff and some possibly bad ideas, but that happens with all cars. They can't all be the best. The Cobalt is brand new the corvette is new they have the colorado (which I liked alot surprisingly after the crap people talked about it). I think the 06 monte carlo is stupid, but I think alot of cars are stupid. I think the Element, vibe/aztek, montecarlo, Murano, Scion Xa/Xb, new eclipse and pretty much all hyundais and kias are all stupid looking or just dumb concepts. There are tons of cars that people don't like. If someone thinks that the quality between a 99 cavalier and a 99 civic are different, I would say they are right. But when those cars were new the Cavalier was noticably cheaper and thats what the consumer was looking for. I know gonenuts is coming off as a diehard chevy fanatic (which he very well may be) but I think he's just trying to bring up valid points but between the different flames back and forth it gets lost in brand loyalty and patriotism and reverse patriotism. In short this is all a business and no matter what company you talk about, it is out to get you to buy a new car, they would sell everyone a car that only ran for 10 minutes if they knew it would sell.