to say it...the Audi TT 225HP...the turbo Beetle only creates 180HP and the 225HP model that they were testing would cost you 80K but w/that you get 18's, AWD, and other goodies...but definitely I would NEVER pay 80K for a Beetle...and if I did...I would expect 500HP or at least 400 w/some potential. :bandit: