hey snow, I guess I was the one who started all of the disagreementsand now regret posting my statement. It was just simply something that I thought I had heard before in automotive class (mostly referring to newer cars)........anyway, I have used the same method in the past, and was not trying to flame or disagree with you, I just posted something that I suppose I shouldn't have since I wasn't sure about it. Simply put...I mean't to offend no one.