re-read my post--good for the accord, it's a great car for the $$, i'm just saying magazines MT, Car & Driver, SCC, whatever, they're all worthless when it comes to testing and ranking cars if you're a car enthusiest--oh, and thanks for the prime example (the THUNDERBIRD) as to why any and all magazines views should be taken with a grain of salt (or less), the thunderbird, ha ha ha