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Originally Posted by tenguzero

Yogs, no one is answering that question because it's obviously an impassioned appeal that really makes no sense. Why don't we ask the fetus what it would like before the operation is performed?

Good point. Thats what I've been doing. Everyone of us was a fetus and can fully express ourselves right now. So I am asking - do you wish you were aborted?

Anyways, this argument being proposed about just "wiping out" all of the homeless, welfare spongers, and depressed (though I'm not sure when a person with depression become a burden to society...) isn't really applicable to the issue at hand. They may be homeless, and they may be lazy losers, but all of society would agree that they're nonetheless living and sentient. All of society OBVIOUSLY can't see it the same way for an early fetus.

The point was made in using economics as a justification to slaughter the unbort. I don't want the homeless dismembered any more then I want it done to a fetus. Living and sentient huh. Clearly all the above are living so lets skip right over that one. So lets check out sentient.

1. Having sense perception; conscious
2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

The second one is shared by the homeless and a fetus. They certainly struggle against being dismembered. They easily lose the battle, but it is one they all fight. So you must mean the first definition. That must mean we can eliminate anyone who's a vegtable or anyone else who's totally unaware of themselves. Like autistic people who don't understand mortality. Infants don't have any more perception then the fetus. Staning on the slippery slope, a few hours is the difference between a baby and a fetus.

Even saying its an early fetus isn't a good rationalization for murdering the unborn. The slippery slope steps up again and asks who determines what makes the fetus 'early enough'. Perhaps the 3/5s people should be put in charge.

Indeed, I don't think overpopulation will be a problem, at least in respect to the next generation or two in the United States. If anything, we've probably already reached our population peak, for the near future at least. The prime "parenting" generation is currently, in general, apparently too fixated on their careers and personal life to worry about child rearing (unfortunately,) because these are the kind of people who most likely have the base necessary to support a child (monetarily at least, the objectionable use of day-care centers and TV/videogames to babysit children who's parents are too busy for them is yet another issue in itself ) So, the generation that DOES apparently have a dangerous combination of time and, in many of these cases in question, bad moral judgement, is seemingly the one to pick up the slack in the procreation process.

This really doesn't have anything to do with abortion. People have been raving (not you) about overpopulation for almost four centuries now. Its the chicken little syndrome. Everyone thinks that things are harder now or things are worse now, blah blah blah. Its the same story every generation. Each one has their specific problems.

The problem is really NOT welfare-recipients and bums, nor is it these idiot people who sex it up without properly considering the ramifications. It is what is BEHIND all this, what is driving this situation to exist. People have been complaining about lazy, aid-abusing "tax-burden losers" for half a century, and they really don't seem to have slowed our growth that much. Too many people (and this can be seen in the postings in this thread) are far too willing to just say "What we need to do is make these people close their legs" and "these people are sick, hopefully they die in the process" (which is a blatantly dumb response, and serves no purpose other than to reveal the fact that one is seemingly no more "ethical" than the very women they admonish.) This is always the problem. It's like I said earlier, the question should NOT be "Why should abortion be supported?" It should be "Why are we faced with this question in the first place?" And i'm sorry to say this, but simply "making" these people close their legs, or get off their asses and get a job HAS NOT, IS NOT, and apparently WILL NOT WORK.

So, if I may provoke a different branch of discussion in respect to this topic (beyond emotional laments back and forth between the Lifers and Choicers) I'd like to ask this, what do you think should be done to help PREVENT this concern from becoming increasingly hostile? Why do you think these people are so willing to engage in wanton and unsafe sexual activity? I maintain, that the topic of what consititutes a "living being" is out of our hands, scientifically, morally, and religiously. So, if we can't find a SOLUTION to the problem, then perhaps preemptive action is the answer.

Its called cause and effect and living with the consequences of your actions. Because someone made a bad choice does not mean that another should have to suffer because of it.

What constitutes a living being is out of our hands? Sound a bit like considering certain races of people less then human to justify slavery. Aside from that, I don't see any problem at looking for causes and solutions to prevent these things from happening, but not having a plan or workable plan in place should not give carte blance to suck the unborn out a straw.













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