[leadfootGTP]

yes, most people do mix the two and even a few more supplements, i dont use any, i see it as cheating 9 but i dont have a problem w/ other people who do choose to use it) , so i couldnt tell you the doses, but i can tell you to be careful, take the supplements for 6 weeks, and then take 6 weeks off, 6 on 6 off 6 on 6off and etc.or else you will overwork your muscles and lost lots of progress, my friend joey took creo, and he didnt do the 6 week on/off system, he got up to 235 on the bench, but took it for too long, overworked his muscles, and he dropped fron 235 to 185 in one week, strength that will not come back with just rest, he had to take a break and then work to gain it all back again