ok. to put it in perspective . i live in a sleeper suburb (no-one knows it exists) and there is a main road from sydney going next to it. there is another main road coming and finishing onto the first. it takes me 4 min to get to work and the same to get home but in the opposite direction it takes about 45min. and one of the roads takes you straight out west to all the twisties but also to all the new suburban estates. too hard to get out so i wait for weekends