btw, if u read the r&t article, it mentions using a lexus v8 in the is300 to compete with the m3 and s4 and a 3.0 liter v6 in the mr-s to compete with the s2000 and the porsche boxster.....even if these don't become actual production models, do u think toyota may be 'testing out' the v6 and v8 in these models so that they can put these engines in the new supra???.....because testing the engines completely different cars would be a perfect way for toyota to lead people off the track of uncovering the new supra or whatever it'll be called.....i personally hope thy'd release both these cars AND the new supra.....they could have them compete in different markets anyways