well your comparing the slowest lauch times that i've seen for the R34. why not compare it to the more average numbers? like the upper 4's? some where inbetween 4.7 and 4.9. thats the average that i've been seein from alot of gt-r owners on this forum. plus why would the older R33 be faster at teh quarter then the newer faster R34 v-pec II? i've seen a lot best motoring videos where they drag stock R33 and it does 13 flat sometimes and the average would be 13.2. now compare that cheap turbo on the R33 to the dual ceramic turbo that the R34 has mated with the getrag 6 speed as to the older 5 speed, then you have a much faster car that is comparible to the 360. no joke. i've seen the video wheere they were doin comparo's stock for stock on best motoring. plus that was with a v-spec I and before tghe new and improved v-spec II came out. the drag results was only off by .2 secs. not too shabby for a nissan.