who races for slips haha? You like your car for your reasons and i like mine for my reasons. But, i don't consider Mitsubishi or chrylser better quality then Ford.. Mitsubishi is like the bottom of the barrol import.. nothing wrong with that when your running 12's, but a mustang Cobra is diffently a higher quality car than a Eclipse or talon.. I'm honest about things like that.. just in the same manner a M3 is of better quality than my stang.. And just some info on my car.. i bought it slightly used, as i'm sure most ppl buy DSM's used considering the only ones worth buying are the Turbo'd older ones, for 15K.. I was actually considering a GST at the time i even went and drove one that a kid owned.. he wanted 13K for it.. so if i would had bought that eclipse and dumped 5K into the engine i would had ended up spending almost 20k.. instead i spent 15k and an additional 500 bucks and i'm running low 13's.. think about how much faster my car would be with 5k in the motor like you.. procharger for about 3500, and i'm off and running mid 11's.. so probably for the amount you paid for your setup i'd be running deep in the 11's for the same price with the car i have. plus i've had a fast car since the day i bought it.. you've had to work at the thing a lot to get it as fast as it is today.. i mean lets be honest these two cars are in different leagues here.. Your DSM runs what, 14.9 at best stock.. my Cobra ran 13.4 nearly stock on bald tires.. all you've been doing is playing catch up.. i'm not hear to bash DSM's cause i think they are cool.. i was just giving the guy my thoughts and i didn't realize he made up his mind already..