You are absoultly right cracker. what are they thinking? It just doesnt make sense. 4 bangers talking about 4 bangers, what a joke! stock to stock weight to weight and class to class hondas and many others usually will lose to a neon with a good driver. The only way hondas are to beat neons are with swaps or turbo or nitrous. The fact is with a couple of bolt ons, on our single we could beat most duals on the hondas. Not talking stuff on hondas dont get me wrong I have respect for them just not people who arent realsitic. As for the v8s they could talk stuff "ONLY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT" cause 4 words weight to hp ratio!!!!!