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Originally Posted by 93hybridaccord
Dude, what are you talking about. First off, e-manage does come with a map, but you can make your own fuel maps also. As far as the s-afc, it works for it's intended purpose. Hondata does make a good ecu, but I would much rather go with the AEM EMS or something like that, but I doubt he has 1,500 to spend on a standalone. As far as all Honda decks have an open deck, I'm sorry but you are wrong, if you'd like a pic of my block I'm sure I can e-mail it to you. As far as sleeves, the new darton sleeves with the MDI are rated very high. As far as the best sleeves for a Honda, I'd have to go with Golden Eagle and I'm sure many would back me up. As far as the turbo system itself, this guy doesn't have a lot of money to spend as he has said. If he went with the kit I showed him or one of the same kind, he'll be able to make the hp he is looking for without having to piece it together. Basically, with that kit alone and a built block and head work, he could make 300whp.
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Okay JACKASS..not this again...Honda's have an Open deck design...excuse me, the older H22 is said to have a closed deck, but the crank journels make this motor a bad choice for high power...If you are talking about any motor than a certain 95 and earlier H22, you are full of it. Also, ALL D-series, ZC, F-series, K-series and B-series Honda motors have an open deck. As I said, 95 and earlier H22 is said to have a closed deck (Honda Tuning said this years ago) though I don't give a crap, the cylinder walls are still to thin to handle much boost, and the crank journals are not well designed for High power. Secondly, a Hondata is A LOT LESS than an AEM EMS...and any person I know would go for that any day.
3rd, a Hondata will be a lot better for a high boost app than a greddy e-manage. Ask Whttteg, ask any other knowlegable AF memeber and they will tell you. If you think he's going to reliabley run 20psi on a s-afc or a greddy e-manage, you are smoking crack. He'll want more than that at that boost level. The Kit can make 300HP, but the STOCK INTERNALS CAN'T HANDLE THAT MUCH BOOST!!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT?? NO 127HP D-SERIES MOTOR CAN HANDLE 300HP ON STOCK INTERNALS.
As far as sleeves, don't you go around knocking AEBS...I never said Darton was bad or GE was bad, I said, IMO, AEBS is best. Sport Compact car refered to them as the best sleeves on the market...Darton Uses a rubber seal to seal the sleeves, rubber gets brittle and ditrioartes over time...golden eagle uses a sealent, and their 1st sealent had leaking issues, they will tell you that. They claim their new sealent is good and doesn't have this problem...however, they will not tell me what the new sealent is. I don't play that game, I want to knowe exactly what I am paying for. AEBS uses a 2000interference fit on their sleeves. Basically, this fits the sleeves 3 inchs into the block. The interfenrence fit is very tight and seals it up, locklite it added as protection, though the interference fit is enough. Too tight or too loose and it will crack or not seal enough. That's why I said let them handle it. I'll go with AEBS, now if you want to get GE or Darton, that's fine, it's your motor. I'll stick to AEVS, like Jojo Callos used.
Now if you think he can handle 20psi and 300hp out of a D-seires motor, you are dead wrong...I don't care what turbo kit you have, the motor will blow. Also. with a car not designed for FI like a Honda, it's always safest to go with a good set-up like Hondata. If you think a Greddy e-manage or s-afc compares to a Hondata, you're dead wrong. Also, why the hell would he want a AEM EMS, for $1500, that's more than he needs to spend, get a Hondata, it's better IMO anyway.
Now, you say "If he went with the kit I showed him or one of the same kind, he'll be able to make the hp he is looking for without having to piece it together. Basically, with that kit alone and a built block and head work, he could make 300whp."
Since when is your kit and what you show him the ONLY WAY to make power. You know, as well as I, that kit is not the only one that will make power...hell, even one with a different turbo and brand could. Any expert will tell you anyways, it's always better to put your own kit together than to buy a pre-made one. Also, I suggested him the Disco Potato turbo...it's finally availble for sale to the public after years in the wings. The Garrett Disco Potato, techinacally called the Garrett GT28RS, is an absolutly amazing turbo. It was first introduced to the world in Summer 2000 as a prototype, and after years is finally here. This turbo is capable of delivering over 300HP with a quick spool up and shocking responsivness. It's a great turbo for someone building a motor like a honda between 1.6 and 2.2 liters that runs on street gas. That turbo sounds right up his alley, so I suggested it. Like your "kit," it's not the only route, but it is a good one to look at. If he goes the "build your own kit" approach, I'd suggest the GT28RS, better known as the Disco Potato. Check out the March 2004 Issue of Sport Compact Car for more.
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Originally Posted by ss1
ok so do i really need an ecu??????????????????/
i mean as that guy said u "u dont realy need one"
so if iam gettin a turbo kit with all the stuff like injectors and regulator etc will i need an upgraded ecu for em .or wat benifit will i get from an ecu
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You want to make 300whp, correct. That will take a lot of airflow and upwards of 20psi..;you will need to fully build the motor if you want it to last. Tuning is a MAJOR part of any motor, espeically with a boosted Honda. I know what he said, but if you want a reliable set-up, you'd be wise to invest in a Hondata. If you want more opinons, PM Whtteg, GScivic7, and tran_nsx to name a few. They'll tell you the same. If you boost it to to 300HP with that kit on stock internals like he is saying, you will blow that motor quickly. It's generally a better idea to go with a Hondata, especially when boosting that high. If you go the wrong route with FI on a Honda Motor, I hope you have money for a new motor of a re-build.