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Originally Posted by skids929
Welp, I can't definitively speak for a cl s-type, but I can say (hopefully without getting berated) that my 2003 Accord V-6 (with no Mods) is faster by quite a bit than my almost new 4th generation Maxima SE (29k Miles on it-no mods)-I have tested it several times. My Accord V-6 has a 5 sp auto trans with 240 HP and it really puts the Max to shame in a straight quarter mile, so I don't know what some of you are talking about the CL S-type not beating a 4th gen Max, because the CL will beat my Accord, which will beat a 4th gen Max. So use logic, and be realistic, and swallow some of your Nissan pride, because it is FACT.
By todays standards & pricing the new TL Acura competes directly with the new Max. I have driven both, and although it has 5 (measely less horse) the TL BLOWS away the new 6th gen Max. Once again proving Honda products have an edge.
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my friend has an 01 cl type s and it's not all that fast, i could hang with him in my 4th gen and when i got my y pipe i'd pull on him and he had 260 hp and 213 lbs/tq. the CL S weighs 3400 lbs., a whole 1/4 ton more than a 4th gen max. so once you factor in the weight (100lbs=~10hp) you're realitically comparing a 210hp car to a 190 hp car, they both have similar tq Acura has the advantage by a measly 8 lbs of tq pushing an extra 500 lbs of body weight. he was auto i was 5 speed so it's totally feasible. we never got to really race but we'd always go cruising together and one time we were just flying from like 30 mph up to 130+ and neither one of our cars made any significant headway against the other. since the acura boasts 70 more hp I'd say even if it tied the max,
it lost.
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Originally Posted by skids929
I have owned Hondas for years, and everything and I mean EVERYTHING, is better built than a Nissan. Reliability wise and performance wise. I can say this because I own both, and love both, but realistically Honda makes a better product, better fit & finish-thats why there are more on the road.
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dude performance wise my ass. i had a 96 SE-R that would consistently put SI civics to shame and any integra's below Gs-r's and maybe even a gsr, i never raced one in it. my 190 hp 95 maxima smoked gsr's, hung with type r's (yes i beat one once) and type S's, and murdered preludes making the same 190 hp. I killed a 200 hp RSX type S with 3 kids+myself in my car versus this one kid and his girlfriend in his car,beaten by at least 4 cars. if you take a 5th gen maxima with 227 hp and race a regular cl or tl (not type S) making thr dame hp The Acrua'll get murdered, the only way it could compete was to up the hp to 260. that's why the CL type S came out in 01, to top the best selling V6, the maxima. then was redesigned again in 04, to top the best selling V6 maxima, again. so it finally did, big deal. it's about damn time.
Honda/Acura's been trying to best nissan for the last 10 years by waiting until nissans new vehicles are released and then trying to make something better and failing. in 1995 the 4th gen maxima is introduced and is given title "best v6 engine in it's class". that same year acura introduced the 95 TL with 227 hp trying to best nissan, they failed. in 2001 after nissan had won its 6th "best v6 in it's class" award, acura tries to best it with the type S, and failed, nissan STILL got best v6 in it's class with an engine at a 23 hp defecit. now the 2k4 maxima comes out with 265 hp and low and behold, here come the new acura TL with 270 hp. Not to mention that Acura is honda's top of the line name. it's not even infiniti they're competing with, it's "low end" nissan.