it seems that someone tried to sell u the same rims with tires and will not sell the wheels without tires, i'm willing to sell wheels only. I think that guy's nickname was Miataracer or Miata something. If you're interested let me know ASAP, I got this other guy who wants to buy it also. These are 4 lugs (they were on my civic for 6 months). They are currently off since it is winter and i drive with stock wheels.