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Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

so is that suppost to mean that european cars are better? I'm not clearly seeing your point.

This is your own point, how do you not get this? i replied to your argument that:
1. product standards fall as production levels increase, and
2. US produces more cars than Europe.

Remember writing this:

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

And the amount of cars being produced in us vs. europe is more than likely far greater than in europe. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree that its tougher to maintain quality when your producing more vehicles

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I was just echoing Jimster's theme in informing you that European car makers probably make as many - or possibly even more - cars than US producers. Need we go further on this one?

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

Well I'm sorry if the standards im refering to aren't supporting your bias but once again I still hardly see your point

you're kidding, right? bias?
your understanding of "sub-standard" veered towards telling me that american cars have to meet "federal regulations" and "specific standards"... you dont think european cars have to meet certain specifications, such as emissions, or EuroNCAP??
meeting these government-set requirements/standards is taken for granted, after all, all cars must do this to be released so it cant be a factor within the comparison of two modern cars.

what do you think i mean by standard? when i say the standard of a product i mean how it performs, how well its put together, these sorts of criteria... not that it must have seatbelts and 4 wheels...

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

If american roads require easy progress of long distances, then why would they need to be made with a complicated and more expensive suspension setup when a more basic design can just as easily fullfil the same expectations on the same roads? Merely because european cars will require a more complex and costly suspension system to suit their environment doesn't mean their better.

ARGH!!!!
This whole comparison revolved around handling
you're repeating something everyone's already said!?!?!
Thats what i criticised, the (typical) american car's handling.
i did acknowledge that american roads do require a car that will go long, straight distances effortlessly... BUT, if you want to call your american "sports car" a sports car, then it had better handle. And some dont. At all. comprende?

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

And a interior design of high quality (in materials and craftsmenship) to get you from point a to point b also doesn't mean that a car is better than another. Thats a matter of preference if you ask me.

Yes, in a way it is only a matter of preference, but if you want to pass off your car as a "luxury car", it should have a luxury interior. And some of these so called american luxury cars have a shitty interior. Again the consumer wouldnt be happy, at least I wouldnt. I want my sports car to handle, and my luxury car to be luxurious.
Anyway, why shouldnt the consumer expect more? The quality of products used / design / interior features has sky-rocketed in (most) european cars over the last 10 years to the extent where a £7k VW is built like a mercedes benz inside (& out).

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

And the gas-guzzling comment...please. I can name a handful of european cars that are far worse in gas comsumption than many american vehicles.

no, not "please".. far from it... the point i made was very valid... Name your handful, so what? Compare the number of V8's or large displacement cars sold in the US to the amount sold in Europe. Ish no think so. The most common cars here are 4 pot hatches or 50mpg diesels.

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

I hope a sports sedan is a far superior drive than a sports car reguardless of where its made

errr.. what? isnt that supposed to be the other way around?

Originally Posted by Chris

Different strokes for different folks.

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

isn't that the truth.

Yes. So lets not compare us to euro handling, since we've so obviously agreed on that one