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Old 12-04-2003, 03:42 AM   #10
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Re: Factory 15's

I have the ST sway bar kit, with both front & rear bars on I think there is too much understeer. So I run the ST rear w/ stock front sway(upgraded bushings & end links). Its all in the driver, some like oversteer, understeer, or neutral, I personally prefer a slight bit of oversteer. Jegs.com does sell the ST bars seperately. If you prefer a slight bit of oversteer(better handling, IMO) the larger sway will go on the rear - you want the front to "roll" a little bit for increased traction. To "tight" in the front & your may loose front tire contact under hard cornering along with heavy understeer. An understeering car is much safer than an oversteering car on the street, but not as fun. Drive it normal until you get the new feel & then do as you please, just watch out for snap-oversteer. S/O is when the car oversteers then kicks the opposite way, then kicking back the first direction usually spinning around(happens very fast) even with the best of drivers.

Suspension travel & anit-roll bars would go hand-in-hand, since basically the sway bar is reducing suspension travel - meaning less body roll. Sway bars have NO effect on front/rear movement, only left/right movement. Rear lower-tie bar will work well with the upgraded rear sway, also if you plan on hard driving(good tires) I highly suggest you get a frame reienforcement kit or weld the brackets to the frame to prevent frame tearing, it can/will happen.

Suspension is the best modification for the $$$$, IMO. If your serious about suspension, have your nice wife get you the rear sway & a book called How To Make Your Car Handle by Fred Puhn - that book gets pretty techinical.
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Originally Posted by http://www.suspension.com/stam-bar.htm
  1. Increasing the front spring rate and/or front sway bar diameter will increase understeer. Isn't this the problem that the factory designed into your car originally. If you want the car to handle better, your goal is usually to decrease the understeer to obtain a neutral handling car(maybe a little oversteer for you autocrossers). So why does everyone want to increase the front spring rate and the front sway bar diameter? Yeah, its easier.
    When you drive the car, seat-of-the-pants engineering will tell you the car corners better because it is stiffer and just seems better. But an astute outside observer will tell you that the front end is still sliding towards the outside of the turn. Allowing a better handling car to drive under your car(taking the inside of the corner). In other words 'your car does not turn in tight on the corners', it is still understeering!!!
http://www.suspension.com/stam-bar.htm
http://www.suspension.com/civic.htm - for sway bar bushings if you choose to use stock front.

My rear adjustable ST sway -

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