oh shit i forgot the newer ones have the fold down seats. damn u guys. ne wayz to take the fronts out all u gotta do it pop off the little pastic things that cover some screws. theres 4 on the bottom under the littel holder and 1 on the side of the door i belive. then u can unscrew the grill and take the speaker out. that way u dont have to take the whole door panel off