Spec-V vs. Prelude

I heard that a Honda Prelude SH can beat a 00-03 Spec-V? Is that true? Because alot of people that I have been talking to says that a Spec-V is weak because they have driven stronger cars and say that I might as well wait for a better and cheaper car?

It should give you a run for your money, should be a close race. SCC got a 15.5 with a Prelude SH, people have scored a 15 flat in the spec-v, but then again I'm sure the lude is faster than a 15.5 as well, so I'm not sure who would win.

Type SH
Specifications:

Engine Type: I-4
0-60 mph: 7.7 seconds
Horse Power: 195 hp
1/4 Mile: 15.8 seconds
Top Speed: 143 mph
Braking from 60 mph: 134 ft.
Braking from 80 mph: 225 ft.
Skidpad: n/a
Slalom: 60.6 mph
Fuel Mileage: 24.0 mpg
MSRP: $25,000 US

Spec V

1/4 Mile: 15.06 seconds
MSRP from $15,999
Engines 2.5L I4
Horsepower 165@6000
(175@6000 SE-R Spec V)
Transmission 4-speed auto
5-speed manual
6-speed manual
MPG: City/Hwy 4-speed 23/28
5-speed 24/29
6-speed 22/28


Price tag alone says se-r

i was deciding between a spec v and the prelude when i was car shopping, and i thought the spec was a better deal, and IMO, a faster car.

wuts the torque on a prelude SH???

stock vs stock i would have to side with the prelude

The Prelude is a fantastic car as is the SE-R, but look at the cars. The sentra has 4 doors, and is designed as a tuned family compact. The prelude has 2 doors and was designed as a sport compact.

I know alot of people are gonna get really mad about my opinion, but it is just that, my opinion.

I have driven both cars and the prelude seemed quicker and more responsive, but the sentra was way more confortable. I agree that the HP #s look equal, but there are way more variables to speed and agility than HP# alone. There are to many to compare on paper, so in order to get a truly even comparison you must have the same driver drive both cars and tell all the pro's and con's of each.

I still love the sentra, and i would buy one over the prelude, but i belive that the prelude would win in a race of stock vs stock

Well I have raced I believe 3 different Preyludes and have beaten them everytime. I met one guy at the track with one and the best he could do was a 15.4. raced him on the street twice about 2 months ago and he even got a head start since he rolled right before the light turned green. it was me him and a GTS celica. the celica beat me right before I put it into 4th. passing me up quick too. we tried twice and same result. the first time I raced the SH I was right behind him. he was trying to race the car next to him so I decided to go on green also. I was getting too close to the SH so managed to even go around him. I was flashing my lights to let him know to move but he did not so I had to go around him. when I went around, found out that it was my friend that I was racing. But after all of this I think STOCK FOR STOCK with a good driver the Preylude should win. only becuase it can rev long. I talked to him and he said that 15.4 was a good time for the SH. I wouldnt know since im not into the preylude, so could not tell him anything on that. I thought a good time for a preylude should be between 14.8-15.3. guess I was wrong.

Yeah, my friend has a prelude and it hits 14.9 sec. with i/h/e. But i'm not sure? I really think a Prelude would win, but i don't know? and did the GT-S Celica beat you? What do you people think? Spec-V vs. 00 Celica GT-S

The Celica did beat me but not untill right after 3rd gear. thats when he got into his high end power I guess. off the launch I got him about almost 2 car lengths.

Originally posted by REAL PERFORMANCE
stock vs stock i would have to side with the prelude

The Prelude is a fantastic car as is the SE-R, but look at the cars. The sentra has 4 doors, and is designed as a tuned family compact. The prelude has 2 doors and was designed as a sport compact.

I know alot of people are gonna get really mad about my opinion, but it is just that, my opinion.

I have driven both cars and the prelude seemed quicker and more responsive, but the sentra was way more confortable. I agree that the HP #s look equal, but there are way more variables to speed and agility than HP# alone. There are to many to compare on paper, so in order to get a truly even comparison you must have the same driver drive both cars and tell all the pro's and con's of each.

I still love the sentra, and i would buy one over the prelude, but i belive that the prelude would win in a race of stock vs stock


1) The Sentra feels much faster then the prelude considering it is a torque monstor (that is off course if you drove the Spec V)

2) The Sentra is comfortable but only for the less agile in mind. Stock with sport seats that have the curve of most aftermarket racing seats and a suspension that is pretty much dominant over most stock cars today (including the prelude) it is not exactly a "comfortable" car.

3) true that you cannot compare by HP alone. Did you ever think about weight?

4) If you think that a stock on stock race between the two cars is in the SH's favor you are definitely wrong. it is almost an entire second slower on paper. And at the track (just last weekend) the times were EVEN slower. 15.9 16.0 -- prelude 15.0 15.3 -- Spec V.

8 tenths of a second is 8 car lengths in a race FYI.

I apologize for flaming you on your post. But I do not believe that you truly test drove both cars.

How much faster is a Sentra SE-R Spec-V compared to a Sentra SE-R? Does anyone know about how long it takes for a SE-R to finish 1/4 mile?

they're pretty close in the 1/4. Unfortunately the base se-r is much more rare, so it's hard to get a good average of 1/4 times. I'd say it is around .2-.3 slower in the 1/4 simply because of traction issues, it would probably run around a 15.3-15.4 in good conditions with a good driver. Having no LSD and crappy 195 tires really hurts it in that sense. But if you take a spec and an se-r, put an intake on both and give them identical rims and tires, I think they would be almost the exact same in the 1/4, a road course is a completely different deal though.

what's a "road course" and how would the two cars be different? And also, what's LSD? I'm still kinda new to the whole racing.

a road course would be a track, with turns and straightaways, etc, you know like the F1 or LeMans series on TV :D

the spec has a better suspension than the se-r, it also has larger rims and wider tires. These 3 things together allow the spec to take corners faster than the se-r, so it would do much better in a race with turns such as a road course or an autocross (a small road course set up in an open parking lot with cones, normally free and set up by enthusiasts). The spec also has an HLSD (helical limited slip differential). Basically what a limited slip does is when one wheel starts to lose traction (because you're turning, or because of road conditions), power gets transfered to the other wheel. This allows the spec to come out of the turns faster and under more throttle because they don't really have to worry about one tire breaking loose and then understeering off the course, they still have the other wheel to pull them out of the turn.

Most of these differences can be negated however, just getting an aftermarket suspension setup on an se-r and getting new wheels and tires would allow it to corner much better than a spec. Phantom Grip was planning on making a LSD for the se-r I believe as well, but I'm not sure how that has turned out.

I have a stock spec v and my roommate has a stock lude and I get spanked every time we leave the house at the same time:confused:

even from nissan guys,i've heard that the new srt-4 is the car to beat for affordability and performance, although it's still a neon. only 20 grand

sr20de4evr: You forgot one thing about the Spec V vs. the base SE-R model. The Spec V has a 6 speed while the SE-R only has a 5. The ability to run through gears faster helps in a wide range of things. Off course I do admit the 6 speed is allot to handle for a daily driver (especially if you have the 02 Spec V with VERY SHORT GEARS) so basic drivability of the 5 speed SE-R is better when it comes to cruising down your neighborhood streets. But in a road course like you said, the Spec V is far more dominant not only by suspension, HLSD, and the 10 more hp/torque, but by the lower gears on turns and the ability to run through the gears quicker just leap frogs the Spec on tight turns.

IcedC: He either does not have a stock Lude or you haven’t mastered the 6 speed manual of the Spec(which once again is a tough one to drive)

Creagach: Ill pay the extra 3 grand that i did not spend on buying that SRT-4 and put it into a turbo package to "even" the induction of both cars. Then you tell me who will be the car the beat? :wink:

I have to agree with Spec on this stock lude against stock spec..If the drivers are equal the stock spec will beat stock lude..The spec has much more low end power as well. I have driven both cars..Hands down spec feels and is a faster car..

Peace

even though my 4th gen prelude is pretty different from your prelude SH's I highly doubt a spec V could beat one, all I had on my lude was an intake and a header, and minor weight reduction and I smoked the hell out of a spec V, although my car does run low 14s somehow, it seemed like the spec V is more of a mid 15 second car to me

even though my 4th gen prelude is pretty different from your prelude SH's I highly doubt a spec V could beat one, all I had on my lude was an intake and a header, and minor weight reduction and I smoked the hell out of a spec V, although my car does run low 14s somehow, it seemed like the spec V is more of a mid 15 second car to me


I don’t think you have a clue of how fast a low 14 is. :shakehead

With intake and Exhaust your car DOES NOT run low 14's AND will not beat a Spec V with a decent driver behind the wheel. A bad driver in a Spec can make the damn thing run 17's and I have seen it with my own eyes. :rolleyes:

uh, i also have some weight reduction done, but if you dont believe me i will post the time slips if you'd like

uh, i also have some weight reduction done, but if you dont believe me i will post the time slips if you'd like

Sure please do. What kind of weight reduction did you have done? Do take into account that the Spec V WITH sound package is like 2750.

at 100mph:

10hp = 100pounds roughly
.10 of a second off your time.

100hp = 1000 pounds roughly
1. second of your time.

This does vary but its close to being accurate. Lowering the MPH distorts the figure alittle bit but NOT much.

i forgot the timeslip guy went home early that night, its actually estimated 14.4 closer to a mid 14 really(estimated from a 9.3 1/8th mile), I am not exactly sure how much weight reduction there is i also bypassed the coolant in the throttle body, although im sure that wasnt a very large difference, i know i removed over 100 lbs of junk, and also ran on a very low tank of gas which also shaved off alot of weight, I will have timeslips in the future but i guess it wont matter because my engine is so heavily modified

I am done with this bologna.

Let’s say just for kicks that the prelude ran 15.0 stock every run. Even with a nearly empty tank of gas AND let’s say you took out 100 pounds. Totals range roughly around 200 maybe 250 pounds of totally weight taken off. Now let’s add 40 crank HP to your car with our Mods (Which you have no where near).

-250 pounds weigh reduction and low gas - .25 of a second -14.75 ETA

Now let’s add the 40 hp:

+40 Crank hp
-6 to the wheels through 15% peristaltic loss through drive train
(I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)
So finally 34whp (Wheel Horse Power)
So ill give u another .35 seconds off of your time.

15.00 - .60 and bam you have a 14.40

So to re emphasize my point:

You car doesn’t run 15 flat stock.
You don’t have 36whp in mods
And your car weighs a lot even with weigh reductions (which I did not figure in)
AAAANND I never mentioned traction.

So go make me that fake time slip because unless you video tape your car im not going to believe anything.

I feel the love here
:D

(I'll just stay out of this conversation, have fun boys)

with our Mods (Which you have no where near).



with your mods now? lol, dude im talking about when my car didnt have hardly anything done to it, if i raced a spec v with what I have now there would be no contest, unless you have something pretty drastic, I've built a completey custom h22 NA race motor so your mods are no where near what I have most likely :grinno: Unless for some reason you feel otherwise you can tell me your mods and we can talk about it, but I would really find it hard to believe that you have spent as much time and money on your engine as I have on mine

You car doesn’t run 15 flat stock.


Actually, a full-weight 4th-gen 'Lude VTEC with the H22A motor, is capable of 14.9-14.8 stock. I can see mid-14's happening with a combination of good-driving, a couple of mods that actually work, and weight reduction.

The Prelude SH's were the slowest of the bunch with the H22A motor, because of the weight penalty the SH system adds. The base-model '98+ 'Ludes were faster, but still a tick slower than the '92-'97 H22A 'Ludes.

Now with that being said,I have beat an I/E 'Lude SH from a stop with my I/ignition advance Classic SE-R. Had him by 1.5 cars at launch and 1 car when we stopped. Maybe he would've pulled me higher-up, but he let-off first, and we did get to almost a hundred. I have also ran a bone-stock Spec-V from a stop (before ANY of my minimal mods), and it was dead-even till 80-90 or so, with me MAYBE a foot ahead, if that.

So, I would say, stock SpecV vs. stock Prelude SH, driver's race. Equal drivers, my vote goes to the Spec. Now a stock Spec vs. a 4th-Gen H22 'Lude, I gotta give it to the 'Lude in the long run, while the Spec's gearing/torque/LSD will have it out-launch the Spec.

Actually, a full-weight 4th-gen 'Lude VTEC with the H22A motor, is capable of 14.9-14.8 stock. I can see mid-14's happening with a combination of good-driving, a couple of mods that actually work, and weight reduction.

The Prelude SH's were the slowest of the bunch with the H22A motor, because of the weight penalty the SH system adds. The base-model '98+ 'Ludes were faster, but still a tick slower than the '92-'97 H22A 'Ludes.

Now with that being said,I have beat an I/E 'Lude SH from a stop with my I/ignition advance Classic SE-R. Had him by 1.5 cars at launch and 1 car when we stopped. Maybe he would've pulled me higher-up, but he let-off first, and we did get to almost a hundred. I have also ran a bone-stock Spec-V from a stop (before ANY of my minimal mods), and it was dead-even till 80-90 or so, with me MAYBE a foot ahead, if that.

So, I would say, stock SpecV vs. stock Prelude SH, driver's race. Equal drivers, my vote goes to the Spec. Now a stock Spec vs. a 4th-Gen H22 'Lude, I gotta give it to the 'Lude in the long run, while the Spec's gearing/torque/LSD will have it out-launch the Spec.

I agree with everything you say But I am etchy on the 14.8 14.9 stock. Anyone have any slips or something they can show me? Sorry I am not that familiar with the 4th gen BUT I am still in doubt with 14.8 14.9 stock.

But even if it does do those times I STILL highly doubt that speedra is telling the truth. Just seemed like a flame post to me. :sly:

Oh and speedra quit the bullcrap. Show me time slips of YOUR car and just MAYBE i will believe you. Otherwise go brag in some other forums.

I agree with everything you say But I am etchy on the 14.8 14.9 stock. Anyone have any slips or something they can show me? Sorry I am not that familiar with the 4th gen BUT I am still in doubt with 14.8 14.9 stock.
Go to car-stats.com, and do a search for a 1993 Honda Prelude VTEC. The magazine times listed for the car is 15.1, taken from Motor Trend's May 1993 issue. We all know how easily magazine-times can be improved by an owner who knows the car better.

Also, I found this impending race where Domestic owners were talking about somebody who presumed to race a Prelude VTEC with his '88 Ford F-150: http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID113/1050.html

Hmmm interesting and thank you for the info carrrnuttt.

What’s your opinion on Speedras claim then?

Hmmm interesting and thank you for the info carrrnuttt.

What’s your opinion on Speedras claim then?

No prob, and as for Speedra's claim, I don't know him, so I don't know if he's being truthful or not, but his claim, as far as the car he is claiming it with, is certainly possible.

like I said early, the timeslip guy went home early the night that I ran the 9.3 1/8th, I think the best I can show you guys is like a 9.4, ill have to check, and there is really no way I can actually prove I ever ran a 9.3 so its really up to you if you want to belive it. I have purchased all kinds of new parts for my car so whenever I get it all back together running a low 14 won't be surpising at all, it would actually be very bad. But when I get it all finished sometime I can post timeslips from that. You can check it out from other people I've seen lots of people run the same times as I did with similar modifications that I had.

I have a 2003 Toyota Celica GTS 6-Speed, and I Smoked an
SER SPEC-V, but I test drove a spec-v, and they have alot of torque...
the only way that I could beat the Spec-v Was if I take the
RPMS to 5000rpms on my Celica on Launch and peel out....
but when i raced him without peeling out (in case cops were watching
i didn't want to be too obvious) he could jump ahead of me at first...
but a prelude SH and a Spec-v or close matches in that the Spec-V
is much more lightweight then the prelude....

But i would rather have a prelude if i wanted to race alot,
a spec-v is nice because it has 4 doors, and a beefy engine...
however the redline is kinda low, which wasn't much fun for me,
that why I bought my 6-speed Toyota Celica GTS, that I shift at
8200 RPM's and Chirp out on a spec-v....however my friends
complain about the back seat room, which kinda makes me want
a spec-v as a second car. or maybe i will buy one for my girlfriend...

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