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primera man
04-18-2003, 05:19 PM
Bringing this up again to get people veiws again.
It has been talked about HERE (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85741) already, but want to update it again with new/old peoples views.
I think most of us have noticed that the forum has really kicked of again in the last month with a huge bunch of new members here.

The turn over of threads each day is quite amazing and IMO a lot of good info is getting missed due to people having to read 2-3-4 pages after only being away for 2-3 days.

There is a poll to vote in this time...so you dont have to comment if you dont want to.

Sub forum idea...

General Questions
Questions About...Painting/Priming/Putty/Decal and Detailing
Progess and new Projects
Finished Projects
After Market Supplies/Whats New in modelling
???
???

Feel free to add a subforum if you have any ideas

mentel
04-18-2003, 05:22 PM
hrmm.

I like the painting forum, what about another one for detaili ng?

daggerlee
04-18-2003, 05:24 PM
I like the idea of subforums very much now! Maybe there ought to be a Modeling Off Topic forum? For all the members of the model forum to spout off at :p

bah humbug
04-18-2003, 05:29 PM
I also like the idea of subforums. Just not too many.

It would help the carmodelling forum IMO be a little more organized.

Like it is starting to get annoying to keep seeing, "how to use rubbing compound" "how to make body kits" ect.

Just my view on subforums.

:bandit:

Jay!
04-18-2003, 05:29 PM
Thanks Warren. :)

I'd like to add that a Car Modeling > Off Topic forum is not a viable choice at this time. All OT threads belong in the Coffee Break(Off-Topic) (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f715/) section of AF. (Go try it; you might like it! :p Other Modelers have found their way there and survived the ordeal. :eek: )

On the other hand, a Car Modeling > Modeling: Other may be a possibility for other types of modeling as well as posting resources and inspiration.

supratuner
04-18-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by daggerlee
I like the idea of subforums very much now! Maybe there ought to be a Modeling Off Topic forum? For all the members of the model forum to spout off at :p

yea, sounds good, i like the idea of the following forums:

O/T
Painting priming... etc
Projects and progress
Finished models

primera man
04-18-2003, 05:34 PM
OT should be left out.....we already have a OT as Jay has pointed out.

I'd like to keep it to around 5-6 subforums at the most

supratuner
04-18-2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by primera man
OT should be left out.....we already have a OT as Jay has pointed out.

I'd like to keep it to around 5-6 subforums at the most

yea, but some people, i used to be one, dont like to post out side of teh model car forum. and if a discussion thread is made, its usually closed by moderators pretty quickly.

64 Chevy
04-18-2003, 05:47 PM
When this question was first asked i stated that I would prefer the forum to stay as one. I still like the forum as one but now with being here awhile I do see a need to break it up some. The new threads are gone before you know it and as stated before it could take a person gone for a few days 3-4 pages of new topics to sift through. The other day I posted a question on putty use, which was off on some page with in hours. I only got a few responces that were very helpfull but i feel that if it hoverd around up front for a while it would have gotten more replies. The only option is to bump it back up to the front, maybe some one else will respond. Hey I might just do that now. Adding sub forums may also be more of a hassle for mods, which I dont want to see, but now theres 4 of you guys so maybe it will work.

This is all I can think of for now P-Man but if i think of more I will add it here.

grandprix92
04-18-2003, 05:47 PM
i like the idea. i think there should be a painting, detailing, decals, etc.

daggerlee
04-18-2003, 06:00 PM
What's going to happen with the threads on here? Somebody's not going to spend the time splitting 260 pages of threads into the separate categories, are they? :uhoh:

Jay!
04-18-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by daggerlee
What's going to happen with the threads on here? Somebody's not going to spend the time splitting 260 pages of threads into the separate categories, are they? :uhoh: I've had to do worse... :bloated:

I'd like to suggest a Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions subforum... If we choose to employ them... ;)

mentel
04-18-2003, 06:03 PM
Car Modeling> Paint - Everything About paint
Detailing - Everything about detailing
Parts - For Sale/Trade
Showroom-Finished Products
Work's in Progress - Speaks for itself.
Contests
FAQ


ETC ETC ETC.

mentel
04-18-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by jay@af
I've had to do worse... :bloated:

I'd like to suggest a Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions subforum... If we choose to employ them... ;)

I would like to work in a contests forum. I like doing them.

primera man
04-18-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by daggerlee
What's going to happen with the threads on here? Somebody's not going to spend the time splitting 260 pages of threads into the separate categories, are they? :uhoh:
Iknow.....but with 4 mods on here it will be only 65 pages each :bloated: ...lol

I really think alot of stuff can be deleted out...might take a while though

Jay!
04-18-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by mentel
I would like to work in a contests forum. I like doing them. Oh! :o I didn't even think of online contests. I meant r/l contests...

Bimmerkid
04-18-2003, 06:10 PM
I'd like to see subforums. Especially one about Scratchbuilding/customizing.

daggerlee
04-18-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by primera man

Iknow.....but with 4 mods on here it will be only 65 pages each :bloated: ...lol

I really think alot of stuff can be deleted out...might take a while though

So you mean moderators actually have to do WORK? Who woulda thunk! :finger: ;)

primera man
04-18-2003, 06:13 PM
UPDATE...How's this ??

Sub forum idea...

General Questions About Modeling
Questions About...Painting/Priming and Detailing
New Projects And Updates
Finished Projects
Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions


The classified and FAQ will stay in General

Mr B
04-18-2003, 06:16 PM
hi, being one of the newer members to the forum, i think a subforum could be a good idea. it 's hard to keep up with new threads.
maybe as mental suggested.
cheers B :ylsuper

chaos
04-18-2003, 06:25 PM
Indeed splitting the forum would be a good idea. Too many posts to catch up a days worth.

Am with Pman on deleting some of the threads - but, I guess there's a lot of work involved and who's to say what needs to go and what stays. But, then again there are the really useless posts which can go. :)

primera man
04-18-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by chaos
Indeed splitting the forum would be a good idea. Too many posts to catch up a days worth.

Am with Pman on deleting some of the threads - but, I guess there's a lot of work involved and who's to say what needs to go and what stays. But, then again there are the really useless posts which can go. :)
It will have to come down to common sence amoung the mods as to what will stay and go

fullbloodchop01
04-18-2003, 06:31 PM
i think is the idea of sub-forums, is not a bad idea, but if there are going to be sub-forums, they should only be like, progress/how to's/ painting, we shouldnt get too detailed in the subforums, also it woiuld be hard to keepp track of making a new thread in the correct sub-forum, thus MORE WORK FOR THE MODS:(

christofurr
04-18-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by primera man
UPDATE...How's this ??

Sub forum idea...

General Questions About Modeling
Questions About...Painting/Priming and Detailing
New Projects And Updates
Finished Projects
Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions


The classified and FAQ will stay in General

Just a thought, wouldn't most of the questions someone would ask in 'General Questions About Modeling', have something to do with Painting etc? I think 1 questions page would seem enough to start with, and maybe add a Sub-Forum with something to do with customising?

grandprix92
04-18-2003, 06:34 PM
ill voulenteer for a moderater "job"

primera man
04-18-2003, 06:41 PM
In general there would still be plenty of other questions like Lowering/exhaust's/wheels/bodykits/sanding/Where to buy stuff etc etc

I agree that most questions will be in painting, but it will be easy to find from other threads

mentel
04-18-2003, 06:44 PM
Hey P-Man, if we get this stuff up and running let me know if you guys need additional help moving threads and what not

njh
04-18-2003, 07:07 PM
I feel that if there are sub-forums, there shouldn't be too manyt too.

Maybe we can have like:

General (e.g. new kits coming out, new kits which you got, FAQ, Classified, Meets, Contests, Shows)
Customising (e.g. Scratch-building, lowering, exhaust, decals)
"How To" (e.g. P-man and other's "how to" paint windows, polishing etc...)
Projects (progress and completed)

Just my suggestion.

sugarcaddy
04-18-2003, 08:05 PM
I agree with most that a few* sub-forums should be in place, however it should not take away from the overall experience of the modeling forum as is. Too many sub-forums could be overkill IMHO.

Scott

B16EF
04-18-2003, 09:04 PM
Being a newbie, I think this is a good idea.

suiteR
04-18-2003, 09:30 PM
oh, adding sub-forum will be more organized !!!

Chain
04-18-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by primera man
UPDATE...How's this ??

Sub forum idea...
General Questions About Modeling
Questions About...Painting/Priming and Detailing
New Projects And Updates
Finished Projects
Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions

The classified and FAQ will stay in General

1)New Projects,updates of it/Progressive Projects/Finished Projects-1 Forum

2)Contests/Shows/Meets/Conventions/Questions about them-
This one should be general as we do not want anyone to miss out.Wherever the majority of members of car modeling is, this should go there. Just need to lock or make it sticky.

3)General Questions about modeling..Painting/Priming and Detailing/New Ideas Submission-
Can be same as Pt 2) If an idea is good, it should be made sticky for the majority to read and should be where traffic is good or where the majority of members are. Can allocate 1 Forum to this too.

The rest just leave it alone. Too many forums wont be good.
I think we just need to try 1 thing at a time and see how it goes from here and work towards fine tuning.
Diversity is the key word here becos of the nature of modeling. It will be very hard to segregate specifically which or what should go where.
Start with tweaking and making small adjustments first. A big overhauling job will make things a little confusing.

ales
04-18-2003, 10:23 PM
I don't like the idea. I remember way back when the G20 forum was split. I just didn't bother visiting all the sections after they had been created. I'd have to say a very firm no to this. I guarantee you that a lot of members will not read quite a few threads. The only one I would make is a classifieds subforum. This way we won't be limited to just one thread that Jay constantly has to clean up. :o

Chain
04-18-2003, 10:31 PM
ales perhaps that was the past and AF has since grown alot. Maybe now something should change?

If you think its not a good idea based on your experiences, then what I think should change would be aleast Pt 1) New projects/updates of it/Progressive Projects/Finished Projects should at least have a subforum of its own.

mentel
04-18-2003, 10:35 PM
if nobody likes having lots of sub forums, have itlike this


Forum A: -Competitions, Show off your model, model preview builds, and for sale sticky thread works - or just make a post saying FS: Honda Civic 2004 Turbo whereas FS=for sale, and WTB=wanting to buy.


Forum B: -Help, Guidelines, etc. Anything you need to know can be posted in this forum. Even just two forums can greatly acheive clean results, j ust something to consider.

flyonthewall
04-19-2003, 03:21 AM
I'm kinda torn between the two right now and these two points kinda sum up my feelings on this one.

Originally posted by 64 Chevy
When this question was first asked i stated that I would prefer the forum to stay as one. I still like the forum as one but now with being here awhile I do see a need to break it up some. The new threads are gone before you know it and as stated before it could take a person gone for a few days 3-4 pages of new topics to sift through. The other day I posted a question on putty use, which was off on some page with in hours. I only got a few responces that were very helpfull but i feel that if it hoverd around up front for a while it would have gotten more replies. The only option is to bump it back up to the front, maybe some one else will respond. Hey I might just do that now. Adding sub forums may also be more of a hassle for mods, which I dont want to see, but now theres 4 of you guys so maybe it will work.

This is all I can think of for now P-Man but if i think of more I will add it here.

Someone else also raised a good point about missing out on the progression of people models and having to hunt around for them.

Originally posted by ales
I don't like the idea. I remember way back when the G20 forum was split. I just didn't bother visiting all the sections after they had been created. I'd have to say a very firm no to this. I guarantee you that a lot of members will not read quite a few threads. The only one I would make is a classifieds subforum. This way we won't be limited to just one thread that Jay constantly has to clean up. :o

I experienced a similar thing to Alex here over on BMC. They split they forum 4 ways, previously it was 2 - 'Generarl' and 'Painting'. After that was split i found my self just looking around the general and not venturing outside much.


But AF car modeling is getting very big now and i can see that a split may be needed. However if this happens, i would strongly suggest it breaks up into no more than 3 subforums. My reccomendations to which are similar to Chains above;

1- General Forum - everything else goes
2- Current Projects - this includes the finished piece. We already have a finished model section, its called the Gallery
3- Painting and finishing - Well deserves a forum of its own coz of its importance in a well finished model and many Q's are asked about this topic.

NOW, having said that what i think we should do first is test the water! I propose this;

Split the forum into the first two above and see how things go. For me the best threads are the progress and finished work threads and having them in their own subforum has lots of advantages - see previous point made. We can then go from here and think about further subsections if and when we all decide they are needed, a progressive split will create less work for us mods too:)

primera man
04-19-2003, 04:03 AM
I like your thinking on this one Chris :cool:

So kick it off with 3 subforums may be the way to go.

Anybody else care to add there 2 cents to help out ??

Purpura Delujo
04-19-2003, 04:11 AM
I think 3/4 would be best

1)New Releases/Rare Kits/Kit Availability - Everything about kits
2)Finished/Progress/Resources (Link Page, A BIG LINK PAGE!!!!!( I can cover the Musclecar part of that! - Our models, Research on current project
3) Shows/Meetings/Gatherings and as such - Social (sort of)
4)FAQ/Questions/Help/Tips/New members Introduction - General


:confused: :D :bloated:

ales
04-19-2003, 04:28 AM
I'm pretty much with Chris - I'm willing to test the system.

1. Progress/Finished (before being put in the gallery). Basically everything to do with your own models.

2. I'd call the second category "knowledge base" or something - where people ask for help, give help. Tutorials and stuff, you know. Though we shouldn't discourage people from asking for help in their own progress threads in the first subfurum.

3. General. Not sure what or how ... :o

4. Classifieds. Though we'd have to think of a set of rules for this section.

primera man
04-19-2003, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by ales
I'm pretty much with Chris - I'm willing to test the system.

....and here i was thinking.... "you cant teach an old dog new tricks !!" :rolleyes:
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.:finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:
:D

ales
04-19-2003, 04:48 AM
Let's see...

me (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=491)

you (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=466)

:finger:

flyonthewall
04-19-2003, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by ales


4. Classifieds. Though we'd have to think of a set of rules for this section.

Disagree on this one to be honest. The sticky thread is good enough for this and works well at the moment. Besides there wont be enough posts to dedicate a whole subsection to it.

ales
04-19-2003, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by flyonthewall


Disagree on this one to be honest. The sticky thread is good enough for this and works well at the moment. Besides there wont be enough posts to dedicate a whole subsection to it.

OK, maybe we don't need this one indeed. For the moment ;) do you agree with the other 3?

flyonthewall
04-19-2003, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by ales


OK, maybe we don't need this one indeed. For the moment ;) do you agree with the other 3?

3 - yes but the 'knowledge base' and 'general' is the same thing in my eyes...

Originally posted by flyonthewall


1- General Forum - everything else goes
2- Current Projects - this includes the finished piece. We already have a finished model section, its called the Gallery
3- Painting and finishing - Well deserves a forum of its own coz of its importance in a well finished model and many Q's are asked about this topic.

NOW, having said that what i think we should do first is test the water! I propose this;

Split the forum into the first two above and see how things go. For me the best threads are the progress and finished work threads and having them in their own subforum has lots of advantages - see previous point made. We can then go from here and think about further subsections if and when we all decide they are needed, a progressive split will create less work for us mods too:)

fullbloodchop01
04-19-2003, 06:20 AM
im also with chris and ales, we chould start off with the 4 subforums and see how it wokrs, if its not working out right then i say srew the subforums:D

Marco_Wrc
04-19-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by ales
I don't like the idea. I remember way back when the G20 forum was split. I just didn't bother visiting all the sections after they had been created. I'd have to say a very firm no to this. I guarantee you that a lot of members will not read quite a few threads. The only one I would make is a classifieds subforum. This way we won't be limited to just one thread that Jay constantly has to clean up. :o

I fully agree with you on this one Alex.

Forhod
04-19-2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by ales
I'm pretty much with Chris - I'm willing to test the system.

1. Progress/Finished (before being put in the gallery). Basically everything to do with your own models.

2. I'd call the second category "knowledge base" or something - where people ask for help, give help. Tutorials and stuff, you know. Though we shouldn't discourage people from asking for help in their own progress threads in the first subfurum.

3. General. Not sure what or how ... :o

4. Classifieds. Though we'd have to think of a set of rules for this section.

I am pretty much with Alex...
I am on 50-50 with the subforum.. but willing to try out..

Guess my opinion is like this.. :

1) FAQ
2) Generals/Intro
3) Progress/Finished
4) Classifieds

Just my 2 cents. :)

64 Chevy
04-19-2003, 11:01 AM
Last night I was thinking about this and realized that splitting up the forum wont reduce the number of posts, only split up the posts into diffrent catagorys. The whole point of this is to slow down turnover rates of the topics right? Then I feel that the only way to do this right is to make at least 4 diffrent subforums. By limiting ourselves to two subforums we will still have the prob. of high turnover rates, although it will indeed help some.

mentel
04-19-2003, 12:04 PM
:cry: Nobody read my suggestion. I thought it was a good one?

bigfrit
04-19-2003, 12:16 PM
Well, mentel, stop crying, I read your suggestion, and I m backing it for 100%, it's the most sane thing to do over here. Otherwise people will lose track of interesting posts, newbies will buck up their posts and clogg the different subfolders.

Two subs sounds cool; one for tightly model related issues like M. said and one for more loosely conversations, but not as loose as in O-T .

I think we will have to have some verystrict rules in the future if you want to have those kind of subforums.

But what the Hey, just leave is as it is and teach newbies how to behave .?

Olivier's 0.02€ worth

mhpspeed
04-19-2003, 12:34 PM
Im really leaning for the 3 sub-forums:

1) general: classified, good deals, meets, etc.

2) progress and finished modles (my fav!)

3)customization,painting,detailing questioins, and etc.


my 2 cents

Midnight Racer
04-19-2003, 12:40 PM
I like the sub forums idea.PMAN's sections are great but I would add a Newbie section(introductions)

suicideclipse
04-19-2003, 01:09 PM
having my show car, being into salt water fish, and into models, i am part of alot of forums!!! about 10 or so. and by far i think it is a great idea to break the site up a little. it is just way to unorganized right now... one thing that i whould like to suggest about a link subforum/or sticky, however you decide to do it is, now chatter in there.. just post what the link is, and what you can find on the site, and that's it. I whould like you to take a look at this site to see how they split there forum up, it might give you some good ideas http://dsmtuners.com/forums/ . obviously it's not a model site and the subforums whould be nothing like that, but out of all the forums that i am a part of that site is deffinetly the best. and by the way it also has 16,785 members, and it's only been up and running since november of 2001... jason

chaos
04-19-2003, 01:20 PM
I agree with the 3 sub forums suggested:
1) General
2) Projects
3) Painting/customizing/detailing and similar

Too many forums might be overkill. Also, I believe someone mentioned tight rules when posting - I'm with that esp. with the Projects sub forum. Hopefully with less threads in this forum, people won't have the need to start up numerous threads on the progress or finished pix of the SAME model in an attempt to get people to see it. But, then again there many the few :rolleyes: and this needs to be monitored.

ales
04-19-2003, 01:50 PM
Why on Earth would you want painting, detailing and stuff be separate from projects? :confused:

suicideclipse
04-19-2003, 02:26 PM
becuse they are different. painting and detainling topics are usually to do with how to do this and how to do that. but on the other hand the projects topics aren't usually asking for help on how to do something, but rather showing off how there project is going. that's just my out take on it. i honestly feel that the more subforums there are the more organized it will be and the easier it will be for new people or even more advanced hobbiest to find there answer to a certain problem, or question. jason

ps. i know that i am still new, but im just trying to help. this is a great site and i whould just like to see it git better than it already is.

RallyRaider
04-19-2003, 04:01 PM
In theory I don't like the idea of splitting the Forum into sub-sections, but with the current situation something has to be done. If we do choose to go down this path then in my view it would be best to keep the number of sub-forums to a minimum. I agree with the idea of three suggested so far, titles could be:

1. Modeling techniques
2. Progress and finished models
3. General discussion

Techniques for all the painting, detailing, and building questions, tips and ideas. Progress and finished models for all the specific models and projects we're working on and/or completed. General for the order inquiries, reference photos, welcome threads, etc. That way all the interesting threads will be in the first two and the useless crap will hopefuly stay in the last one :p

Finally if anybody is interested in a WRC model forum, I'll volunteer to be moderator! :silly:

tonioseven
04-19-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by primera man
I like your thinking on this one Chris :cool:

So kick it off with 3 subforums may be the way to go.

Anybody else care to add there 2 cents to help out ?? I like Chris's idea.:) I hate change but I think this is best for the forum.:bandit:

offroadmike
04-20-2003, 08:44 AM
I think that there should be one for all questions about painting/priming.....all the help stuff.
And the other forum for pics. All progress pics and finished pics.

Guido
04-20-2003, 02:15 PM
This time around I voted for subforums. Last time I was against it, because the idea was brought up for the wrong reasons. Now it's the right time to do it, because yes, sometimes I have to go through a lot of pages whenever I'm not able to connect for a couple of days.

I leave the split up to you guys. I'm sure something decent will come out of it. ;)

Looking forward to that!

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