skylines are tight they is...

they are the phatest cars they go to 0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds there the king of street racing to bad there about 80 large and you got to get them imported from japan but o well they are the best of all cars.


[RICE] OR AMERICAN ? RICE!!!!!

While I love Skylines and so do the people that contribute in this area, what youa re saying is not all correct.
Not a single skyline even the GTR is capable of that sort of performance out of the box, or should I say show room standard.

While I do appreciate your enthusisasum as I would suspect others that do, if you are going to quote performance please do so logicilly and correctly :)

wow, great...

another post that clogs the server...

That brings up a question I have with 0-60mph compared to 0-100KMH (62mph)
Why is it that when 0-60mph is quoted it always seems way faster than 0-100KPH.

For example. Mitsubishi claims for the evo something like 5.8secs for 0-100 even tho testers have done it in about 5.3secs and for 0-60mph they claim around 4.8secs. Does it take 0.5 secs for an extra 2mph??? It seems to be the same for most performance cars.

hmmmmmm

0-60 is in mph.

0-100 km/h is in km/h.

100 km/h is 62.4 mph, so you'll be a little slower to 100kph than 60mph...

I'm a little puzzled as to why 0-60 times are so important when comparing the POSSIBLE performance of cars. Going really really fast in a straight line can be fun and all, but in real life there are turns. Track times would be a much better means of comparison and not mention more relevant. I forget which magazine did this, but they took three cars (Acura NSX, Porsche Carrera Coupe, and Chevrolet Corvette ZO6)and three different drivers (enthusiast, amatuer, and pro) and had them fling these babies around a racetrack. It was a great comparison of 3 VERY different cars.

The other reason that 0-100kph(62.5mph) often takes longer than 0-60mph is because of an extra shift. Because of the 0-60mph test, most cars are being geared so that the car can reach 60mph before the 2-3 shift.
However, reaching 100kph(62.5mph) often requires a 2-3 shift, and adds a few tenths to the time.:)

A track comparision is really not a fair way of judging cars either. One car might excell on one type of track with a lot of twisties, ie(Lotus Elise). Take it to a track with a lot of straightaways, and it will not be in its element.

0-60 or 0-62.4, does it really matter. I could really care less what my car does, it goes a lot deeper than just 0-60 times when buying a car, or at least it should.

0-60 or 0-62.4, does it really matter. I could really care less what my car does, it goes a lot deeper than just 0-60 times when buying a car, or at least it should.

This coming from the guy who is building a crazy drag mustang?? I would think 0-60 would be relavant ;)

That is funny, :D I was refering to the GTR, which is like the girl you bring home to mom and dad that you are thinking about marring.

The Stang is the bad girl, the one that likes to be driven really hard, and comes back for more. She squeeks a lot too, No really she does.

0-60 times are important on road courses as well, b/c if you can get up to speed quicker than the other guy, you'll beat him to the next corner all day long...

so, even if you get into a corner behind somebody with a slower 0-60, you should beat them to the next one...

it's simply a benchmark that can easily be met on most roads, and is important in everyday driving, such as getting on the freeway and what not, it's not always just an all out performance thing...

I guess what I was trying to get at is that 0-60 doesn't tell all that much about a car's overall performance. 0-60 is all fun and great, but what about 60-0? Or even 100-0? Slalom or skidpad? 60-100 in top gear? And if car A has a 2sec. advantage with it's 0-60 over car B, but car B has superior braking and handling then car B is going to have the advantage and not car A (what car did what!?). Yeah lapping a Lotus Elise with Mike Waltrip at an oval track is pretty silly and a waste of precious gas that I could be using for MY pleasure. And I have never seen a race where the drivers slow to a stop and try to beat the other guy to 60 out of a corner!

I'm actually wondering what the acceleration of the Skyline would be on the moon, would it be faster? I mean it would weigh less so it would put less pressure on the tires to get traction, but it has 4wd. But I'm not sure.:confused:

Slight problem without any O2:D

And I have never seen a race where the drivers slow to a stop and try to beat the other guy to 60 out of a corner!

if you really want to get into this, we could.

but my point was that if you have a quicker car in the 0-60, you can beat him.

we could get into braking, and late braking, and 4wd advantage, and tires, and all the variables, but if you can simply beat a guy in a "drag race" as straights are known as on a road course, you should be able to beat the other guy...

0-60 is what matters most on the street, b/c you're going to be getting there the most, compared to something like 0-100.
and that has more to do with aero, gearing, momentum and what not, not just the brute power of the car.

60-0 and 100-0 are shown in damn near every review i've ever read, and braking is just as important, with a huge aftermarket support for upgrading brakes, but it's easier to say
"i can hit 60 in 4 seconds"
it's way more impressive than
"i can stop from 60 in 100 feet"
not the same impact, until you realize how short a 100 foot stop from 60 is...

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Slight problem without any O2:D

Just strap a shuttle to the roof or have the astronauts from the space station help you push it really really hard.

Originally posted by flylwsi
it's way more impressive than
"i can stop from 60 in 100 feet"


60-0 in 100 feet in a street car!! That sure as hell impresses me!

0-60 in magazines and 0-60 on actual streets are two different things. Most magazines I know of utilize tracks with above average grip for performance tests so there really isn't all that much relevance. Especially in California with our crappy roads and 70mph speed limits. So maybe 5-75 non-launching tests would be a more relewant test. And most performance cars that I know of are capable of exceeding 60mph in a "drag race."

60-0 in 100 feet in a street car!! That sure as hell impresses me!
that's b/c you're a well rounded enthusiast, and you would know that a ferrari 360 modena takes about 110 or so feet to stop from 60..

so yeah.. we're on the same page..

my "drag race" was simply stating a "mad dash" to the next corner.

if you can beat a car to 60, you'll beat it in the 1/4 too...

0-60 is used b/c it's easy to do.

a 5mph rolling start could never be done perfectly, and there's too many variables and ways to funk it up.

that's why a standing start is the real test.

but if you notice in some magazines, they test the rolling start as well...

Originally posted by flylwsi

if you can beat a car to 60, you'll beat it in the 1/4 too...


I'll have to disagree with that. But 60-0 in 100 is damn impressive.

find me a car that can get beat in the 1/4 by a car it beats to 60...

(and i'm not talking about super traction limited cars that spin the shit out of their tires)
be realistic.

flylwsi actually I have two examples where I've lost drag races to other GTR's where they passed me at 3/4 track and I smoked them big time to 60mph.

Because of the soft suspension in the car it launches extremely hard. On my daily road tyres which are total shyt I can go from 0-60 in 4.5 secs. The other two which are pushing more than 100hp more me get too much wheelspin off the line but once hooked up they are gone.

Conditions and car balance play a lot into it, but all things equal yes the car that reaches 60 quicker would win. :)

Supras typically lose the 0-60 race but do very well in the quarter.

i mentioned the stuff you noted...

if you took 2 street cars and raced them, in general, if you beat the other car to 60, you'll beat them in the 1/4 as well...

it's not 100%.... but close...

i'm sure if you have something like a modded skyline or supra with some nice power and a modded suspension, that changes things...

i'm talking about in general... and especially in cars that are designed to go fast in a straight line, you're not going to find much that you can beat in the 1/4 if you got beat to 60...

True Dat, but I love to play devil's advocate and throw in the curve ball to get under people's skins (could I use another analogy).

:devil: <supra650rsp.

arg.

i know that there are extreme cases, but they're the exception, not the rule...

Yeah most street cars that are faster then another car in 0-60mph should be able to beat it in the 1/4 mile. But then gearing could come into play what if you had a car that does o-60 in 4.5 but tops out at like 110 then a car with a nice medium gearing set up might win but I don't know for sure. Just a thought:)

what car would have that gearing?

on the street?

you'd get to 110 pretty damn quick if your 0-60 is 4.5... with that short of gearing, you'd get to 110 in under 10 seconds, so could coast the rest of the way and still have a quicker 1/4...

Hehehe 0-110mph in 12.6 secs. Need to put the R on a diet next time before I go down to the strip. I've been running in full street trim with the spare and tools in the boost (trunk)

my point exactly...
if you're getting there that quick... it's doubtful that you'd lose the race, especially if you beat the other car to 60...

In Australian MOTOr magazine I've seen quite a few cars cane to 100km/h and then lose over 1/4mile. Has a lot to do with gearing, having to change into fifth or not for the 1/4.

Originally posted by flylwsi
find me a car that can get beat in the 1/4 by a car it beats to 60...


the new S4 beats the e46 m3 to 60 but at higher speeds the m3 makes up ground

i think this will be true of most RWD-AWD drags in which both cars are of comparable power (S4 - 340hp, m3 - 333hp)

It depends on power band, rear end ratio, tranny ratios, tire size, tire choice, suspension, car weight, and driver.

Like Razor said, though if everything else is equal who gets to 60 first should win.

Originally posted by flylwsi
my point exactly...
if you're getting there that quick... it's doubtful that you'd lose the race, especially if you beat the other car to 60...

Yeah sorry, I'm not saying it's common. But it does happen.

Powerband, gearing, etc etc.

But you are correct, most common street cars will not catch up if they loose to 60.

:)

having to change into fifth or not for the 1/4.

what car would have to shift into 5th?

my car hits 4th at the end of the 1/4...

i can't imagine what it would take to have gearing that short to hit 5th in the 1/4...