Protestors of war refuse to pay taxes

That's deep.

I had no idea that groups like that even existed. I've heard stories of people who found work-arounds within the Constitution that if applied correctly, could be used to LAWFULLY excuse yourself from any tax liability . . .

This is a little different though.

It's a shame how many forms of protest are going on, without any effect on what our government does with our lives and earnings.

Absolutely true, I thought the politicians were supposed to be dixit the codex "the voice of the people".

Over 10.000 000 people in europe alone did a march against war on Iraq, over 80% of the population of GB , Spain and the other countries in Europe were against it, and what does the gouvernment of those countries (GB and Spain) do ?

They decide to go ahead in purely economice interests , not caring what the people (E.G. the people who voted for THEM ) thinks.

Who said we are living in a democracy ?
More like a Hypocracy .

Peace; Olivier

Nobody really likes paying taxes.This is a novel way of avoiding it,but no doubt the IRS will win in the end.A significant proportion of people who object to paying taxes simply vote for the party that offers the biggest tax cut,and the hell with any thinking about policies.:(

They can protest as much as they want, but when they don't pay taxes they are breaking the law.

It doesn't matter what your views of the government are, if you are required to pay taxes you should. Just because America has a republican government in at the moment, the socialist's and such still have to pay taxes.

Usings these protestors logic means that i then shouldn't have to pay tax to my socialist government. Because I don't agree with its left wing policies.

Its ridiculous, we have nation states for a reason. You choose to live in one, you pay what tax it requires. And if you think its unfair, democracy is there, have a referendum or such.


Oh and Bigfrit, last i heard over 50% support Blair.

sarujin

Originally posted by sarujin


Oh and Bigfrit, last i heard over 50% support Blair.

sarujin

It's a recognised trend that once a war starts ,a larger proportion of the population will support it.The sentiment has been expressed on this board by several American members that runs,"well,we're involved in this now,so it's my patriotic duty to back it."

When Tony Blair signed up for the "Axis of the willing" he did not have anything like the level of support that he has now.I personally think that he was wrong to press on in the face of public opinion,but there is no doubt that his country will enjoy stronger economic relations with the U.S. as a result.Pretty much every country that has actively supported Bush's crusade is getting a big payout in one form or another,if you took away the incentives,the picture might have looked totally different.

Of course,for a small country such as the one that I call home,U.S. trade is a key issue to us,but totally irrelevant to them.When New Zealand passed legislation that effectively banned U.S.Navy ships from our territorial waters,the U.S.response was to try and destabilise our econommy and create suitable conditions for their political allies to resume control of our government.After a brief spell in the limelight,the pro-bush parties are once again languishing in the dustbin of parliamentary 'also-rans','has-beens',and 'loopy minorities'.The anti-nuclear legislation remains in place,and the damage that the National Party caused to our society is healing.Our politicians may not be perfect,but they at least appear to respect the opinions of their employers.

Originally posted by taranaki
Nobody really likes paying taxes.This is a novel way of avoiding it,but no doubt the IRS will win in the end.A significant proportion of people who object to paying taxes simply vote for the party that offers the biggest tax cut,and the hell with any thinking about policies.:(

Not true. Gore was able to win the majority of the popular vote by running without any tax-cuts.

A significant proportion of people who object to paying taxes simply vote for the party that offers the biggest tax cut,and the hell with any thinking about policies.
Well considering Bush is wanting and currently trying to work on a tax cut, I guess that may be part of the reason for his popularity. Part of the tax that he was to cut is the dividend tax from stocks. I think this would be good, b/c all the extra money recieved from dividends can be put back out into the economy by spending. That is also what a lot of people in this country don't understand. In order for our economy to go up we must spend yet the ignorant people are the ones saying they're cutting out their spending until the economy is better.

i don't think they'll stand a chance against the IRS
They're screwed:o

Originally posted by Pick


Not true. Gore was able to win the majority of the popular vote by running without any tax-cuts.

how is that relevant to what I said?I don't think I actually said that it was impossible for a President to get in without buying votes,did I?What I did say was that a significant proportion of voters base their decision on who will give them the biggest tax cut.

Originally posted by bigfrit

Who said we are living in a democracy ?
More like a Hypocracy .


Now thats borderline lunacy. Doing whats right doesn't depend on polling data. Using your logic, if 51% of the population believes blacks should be slaves then we should be getting out the chains? Maybe 51% decide that no money should be spent on social programs and the homeless should be shot.













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Originally posted by bigfrit
Absolutely true, I thought the politicians were supposed to be dixit the codex "the voice of the people".
Who said we are living in a democracy ?
More like a Hypocracy .
So, we should be governed by polling companies? What about leadership? What country do you live in? America is not, and never has been, a democracy. We live in a representative republic. Thank GOD we do not bend to the whims on every protested topic. Also, ever notice the loudest people are usually the ones with the weakest substance to their cries.

Originally posted by Murco

Also, ever notice the loudest people are usually the ones with the weakest substance to their cries.

Seen how much airtime the President is getting lately?:)

What a bunch of dumbasses:rolleyes: :bloated: "Not paying our taxes helps fight the people who are for the war"

Originally posted by taranaki

Seen how much airtime the President is getting lately?:)
I'm assuming you mean President Bush, who has been pretty quiet for a president in time of war IMO...

Originally posted by Murco

So, we should be governed by polling companies? What about leadership? What country do you live in? America is not, and never has been, a democracy. We live in a representative republic. Thank GOD we do not bend to the whims on every protested topic. Also, ever notice the loudest people are usually the ones with the weakest substance to their cries.

I believe that the people have the power to run a country, they choose a representative that voices the people's opinion. I believe people have common sence enough to make the right decisions.

Also, the democracy is good, because unlike many countries, our legal system has got this where people can protest openly, and there will never be such a thing possible as making black people leave the country, because we have (I do not know about foreign counties) a thing called the "protection of the minorities", so their rights can not, I repeat NOT be violated.

I yesterday heard about the new system of direct democracy they were using in switzerland, and was pleasently surprised by it ,
when the parlementarians vote a law project or a big case, the people are asked to vote in favour or not, this can be done by phone , mail, at the mayor's house and it's free of charge.
This way the people can themselves have the outcome of the voting in their hands. That is what I call a modern and model democracy.

Ps. don't think this is each month, it's only with the BIG cases .


Peace, and think of it, YOUR system is not always the best system.
Only fools think that.

Peace, Olivier

PS; sorry for my lack of english knowledge, I might have translated some terms too literally or totally wrong .

how is that relevant to what I said?I don't think I actually said that it was impossible for a President to get in without buying votes,did I?What I did say was that a significant proportion of voters base their decision on who will give them the biggest tax cut.

You have no idea what you are talking about I did not vote for Bush because of a tax cut. What good did the $300.00 per person do for me? I think it bought me dinner, drinks, and a round or two of golf. And to all the people not paying their taxes to protest you should all be locked up. They can cry all they want and try to hurt our government, but the truth of the matter is most republicans are the ones which pay the majority of taxes because demographically they make more money, recieve less welfare and other government aid, and invest more for the future. I paid 30 large last year in taxes and I cannot stand people who try to look for any reason not to pay their dues.

Originally posted by tomlong


You have no idea what you are talking about I did not vote for Bush because of a tax cut.

Don't tell me that I have no idea what I am talking about until you have taken the trouble to read what I have written.Go back,read it and take it all in.What I did say was that a significant proportion of voters base their decision on who will give them the biggest tax cut.

NOWHERE did I say that it had influenced your decision,but I'm willing to wager that if he had promised tax increases,then that may have been a point that you would have taken into consideration before voting.

What I did say was that a significant proportion of voters base their decision on who will give them the biggest tax cut.

Do you have any facts to back this. I do not believe it one bit. I will give you an example. In the state of Maryland we voted for governer last fall and the Republican won even though he stated that we would possibly have tax increases due to the state budget being in bad shape because of the last governer who was not seeking relection.

Originally posted by tomlong


Do you have any facts to back this.

Obviously I don't.In a democracy nobody is required to demonstrate a clear and logical reason for their choice of vote.Thus even the greediest,most ignorant and stupidest of citizens have the same voting rights as those who actually care about the wider issues.It's human nature,you cannot quantify it into statistics,any more than you can predict the reactions of hijack victims based on their nationality.It's opinion,it's my opinion,and if you will do me the courtesy of respecting it,I'll return the favour.

You are correct I am spending to much time speculating over the issue of how someone may or may not react. I can only speak for myself.

Originally posted by taranaki


Don't tell me that I have no idea what I am talking about until you have taken the trouble to read what I have written.Go back,read it and take it all in.What I did say was that a significant proportion of voters base their decision on who will give them the biggest tax cut.

NOWHERE did I say that it had influenced your decision,but I'm willing to wager that if he had promised tax increases,then that may have been a point that you would have taken into consideration before voting.

If what you say is true, then no liberal democrat would never be elected.