m3 supra conversion

hey thats not nice

He's not a nice person.

who are you to judge

I'm a nice person.

Riiiight if you were a nice person you wouldnt have called me an asshole. And why dont you reply to my questions. And last but not least I think you are the same person as Ugly Dick Joe, just opened a new account cause nobody likes him anymore.

Who hates ugly kid Joe? Anyway, engines with over 1,000 hp is nothing new, in 1983 BMW made a 1.5 liter turbo charged engine that topped out at 1,500 hp on dino tests, and that was with a stock block. So if the newer BMWs are only topping out at 460 hp it is probably because the factory doesn't want slack jawed motor heads using their cars for drag racing.

show me!! The engine you are probably talking about is an indy engine. I dont think it was produced in a production car. Show me I want to see it! And what you said about drag racing... yeah riiight, bmw doesnt want people using them for drag racing... ha ha!! yep who wants all that exposure, who wants to show the world what your cars are capable of? Toyota is making a push rod engine just so they can compete in Nascar. Because they want exposure. And by the way, those slack jawed motor heads you are talking about are just about everyone in this forum so watch what your saying.

i never heard of a bmw with 1500bhp

show me!! The engine you are probably talking about is an indy engine.

No, it is a used production block with 100,000 kilometers, modified for Formula 1 racing. Formula 1 is where they want exposure, they are not in drag racing because it is a hick thing to do, and Nascar too.

No, it is a used production block with 100,000 kilometers, modified for Formula 1 racing. Formula 1 is where they want exposure, they are not in drag racing because it is a hick thing to do, and Nascar too.
If it was modified, then it was probably rebuilt with high performance parts, so that pretty much means the 100,000km dont mean anything and it also means its not a production engine. If your so confident why dont you show me a link to a website where they talk about it. If it was a production engine putting out 1500hp Im sure it was famous enough to atleast have a website talking about it.
http://www.autotuner.org/customerscars.htm
A quick search showed me a page with 2 supras over 1000hp, and this is just the firts page on the search results. The first BMW 1000hp search showed me a page not found error. And the second was a helicopter engine or some shit like that. I gave up after that. Do a search yourself if you feel so confident, tell me how many supras you find vs bmw's with over 1000hp.
One more thing man, Nascar is the second biggest spectator sport in the US, Football being the first. So you want exposure Nascar is where you find it. And I dont know where you get the idea that Drag racing is a hick sport. I think you've been in Greece too long and forgot what the US is all about.
Give it up man. Im not saying bimmer engines suck. I was going to get an M3 myslef until I got a qoute for insurance. My point is this guy wanted a bimmer with lot of HP so he put the engine he could get most HP out of for a reasonable price. You cant compete with this engine on that.

leolo007 and ugly kid john.. BMW's = racing and performance
Toyota's = racing

what i am saying if your looking for a sports car, take ugly kid's advice.

Some things are rather hard for assholes to understand! Well you know? Nascar isnt the only racing event all over the planet! And track races have much more to sow than going a round a circle! And in Erope gas costs 90 cents per litre as also there are turns! People who tune teir cars do so in order to travel faster not to participate in drag events! The need is for cars that dont lose their usability! By the way theres a Comitee of mechanologist that elects every years best engine at defferent categories! Just to give you an example year 2003's best engine was voted RX8's wankel.When you are working for a tuner you can find parts in really low prices! Thats why these guys are ritch!(drinking blood lol). Next time I ll give you pics too. By the way I dont know any Ugly Kid. Just Ugly Kid joe singing cats in the cradle if you care... Supra has a V-6 engine and thats why is is twin-turbo-ed! One turbine for each triplet of cylinders.Get a stock supra and an M3 on a narrow mountain road and check out which one will allow you to go faster! Its not a Mitsubishi EVO VI,but the M3 (especially the CSL one) will be much faster and more enjoyable to ride!
By the way the F1 Championship indeed used 1500cc Turbo Engines that produced over a thousant of wild horses! Turbos were considered not to be safe so Formula 1 returned to normal aspiration. TOdays cars are 3000cc and have about 900hps. The difference in the output of a FWD and a RWD stock transmission is no more than 10 hps. These gearboxes arent that heavy and dont consume much power because they dont need to stand great outputs so they follow a quite light design. By the I didnt expect you to know where athens is! (needs some historical knowledge to understand that greece is the mother of philosophy , mathematics and science, something that you didnt have much time to read cause you were pretty busy burgers and waiting to become 21 to drink legally).Mechanology is a science and thats how car constructors work. Thats why modern cars are better than chevys and crappy big-blocks with less than 30 hps/litre! Just need to think in a practical way (or just think).Hope you dont need any more questions. :banghead:

Chevy engines with nitro are much cheaper to rebuild and use for drag purposes.Also mitsubishi and nissans are cheaper than Supras.You can get a whole 3000GT in the money of the Supra Engine.An EVO VII can give about 800 BHP at 2.3 from just 4 Cylinders!Toyota aftermarket products are expensive (when you dont want to rebuild after every sinlge race) And by the way there was no budget! It is not a task that you have to cover but a way to show that you are efficient enough to me a tunner.(It costed 25 thousant by the way cause most parts were hand made BY us (Except the rims and the interior).I still have the carbon cutter if you care.

why are you calling me an asshole, did your change your name again? If Athens or greece is the mother of all that shit you just said which is used to build cars, where are all the awesome Greek cars??

SUPRAS HAVE INLINE 6, TWIN TURBOS ARE SEQUENTIAL, THE EXHAUST OF ONE TURBO GOES INTO THE INLET OF THE OTHER, THIS PROVIDES BETTER LOW END POWER. IF YOUR GOING TO SAY SOMETHING MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!

Greece has been slave of Turkey for 4000 years illiterate shit! Thats why it is still under development and has bo car manifacturers! Greek scientists are all over the world in great positions. (In subaru and your beloved toyota zapatinas and kovos are greek designers).Didnt expect anything more from an idiot American as you are. Know nothing and say everything.Mabe Supra has a n inline six cylider.I though it is a V but who cares.Still a jap engine! Heavy and thirsty and expensive.

it is 400 years.And by the way Polland and Switzerland who are some of the greatest scientificaly developed countries dont make cars either! Buy the best of the Europena made ones tho

Supra has a V-6 engine and thats why is is twin-turbo-ed! One turbine for each triplet of cylinders.:banghead:
Know nothing and say everything.Mabe Supra has a n inline six cylider.I though it is a V...

need I say more??

ok.You know what I mean.Missunderstanding.Lets finish this shit here.k?

Supras are a POS...only greasy scumbags that eat at Arby's drive those. :disappoin
oh look, Leolo000 drives a Civic... :lol:

Supras are a POS...only greasy scumbags that eat at Arby's drive those. :disappoin
oh look, Leolo000 drives a Civic... :lol:
Yeah thats my race car. My daily driver is a Mclaren F1. On the internet you can talk all the smack you want

that last post was me, I didnt know my roomate was logged in. There are so many Supras out there that will whoop your ass and spent less than a quarter of the money you spent to buy the ugliest ferrari ever built... if you have one at all.

There are so many Supras out there that will whoop your ass and spent less than a quarter of the money you spent to buy the ugliest ferrari ever built... if you have one at all.

Yeah, but it's still a ferrari. You can dump $20,000 or $50,000 on a Supra, and you still got a POS to drive-thru at Arby's. :lol: the Supra can't touch the Enzo... :lol:
I got just one question, if the Supra is this all powerful car, why doesn't it come with 800 hp out of the factory?

That's quite possibly the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life.

That's quite possibly the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life.

Bah, you're just too stupid to know the answer.

This thread is boring and should be closed.
*unsubscribing*

that last post was me, I didnt know my roomate was logged in. There are so many Supras out there that will whoop your ass and spent less than a quarter of the money you spent to buy the ugliest ferrari ever built... if you have one at all.

You don't actually believe he has a Ferrari do you?

This kid is one of the biggest BS'ers I've seen on this site in a looong time.

ldelaysionl---are you a homo?:gay: cuz you're following me all over the place.

You dont go and buy a damn ferrari just to beat others at quarter miles!
All of them (apart from the enzo) are super sexy looking cars (something that Supra cant achieve to this point) designed by Italians (the masters of design as you all know). The enzo tho isnt a typica; car tho!
Man Eric Clapton had to wait for half a year to get an Enzo!
How the hell did you get one? Please cut crap down on a little...!
Tho most of you may agree that a factory Supra cannot be compared to a factory F360 modena and especially the stradale one! And of course when the turns will start the Ferrari will show its teeth to anything! It has a perfect balance and weight distribution (I think it weights less too anyway) better suspension goemetry and lower gravity centre! Think of a tuned ferrari by the way! With a displacement of 4000 and more cc it can offer an output of over 1000 hps quite easily! Its a shame tho to disturb the perfect balance of a Ferrari just to get some mopre bhp! bhp and Dollars are far from the ideal measure to judge a car! Think deeper ! The clue is taht only a very few people can get a Lambo of Ferrari (at least a new one).A lot of people tho can buy a supra and even get a helicopter engine on it but it doesnt mean it is the same money! If you ever drive a Ferrari you understand where the 150 K go! YOu pay for the feeling of satisfaction behind their steering wheel!

I got some things to say to you Mr. I have a degree from who knows where:
-Why are you calling me an asshole? By the way if you read correctly I said that lighter engine parts are better.
-The Lotus you speak of I believe has 140hp and is mid engine so it uses a FWD type tranny which losses less power than a RWD tranny like the S200 does.
-Who elected the M3 motor as the better motor produced? And what were they looking at, engineering, reliability, power output?
-The Supra also has inline six.
-How come you see so many supras drag racing and little (I have seen none) M3's drag racing? Yeah you see M3s autocrossing but we are talking about engines here not cars.
-I bet I can find 10 people that have over 1000hp supra engines faster than you can come up with one M3 owner.

IMO Supra engine is better if what you are looking for is higher power output. No Doubt!!

Hello!!! Here you can read about a 1000 hp 4 cyl M3 engine in a streetlegal BMW dragracer. 1/4 mile is done in 8,48 seconds:

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=116630

you found ONE... yaaaayyyy!!!

ldelaysionl, no I dont believe he has a ferrari, I dont believe he has a license, I do believe idiots like that should be banned from this forums, lets see what kind of mature response he comes up with now.

you found ONE... yaaaayyyy!!!

ldelaysionl, no I dont believe he has a ferrari, I dont believe he has a license, I do believe idiots like that should be banned from this forums, lets see what kind of mature response he comes up with now.

I know of a few others as well, i can post links when i find them again. BTW i have posted links to a few badass BMW films as well in the movie section. Go take a look:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=796

FInally a 1000hp was found! Anyone noticed that it is a 4 cyl one?
Imagine what can be taken out of a 6 cyl model. I know but ...

I know of a few others as well, i can post links when i find them again. BTW i have posted links to a few badass BMW films as well in the movie section. Go take a look:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=796

You're wasting your time, they don't have balls to accept when they are wrong.

Now first off I love the Supra and its diffently not Jap crap but, the M3 is a much better car. Want to know why their are more 1000hp supras? because supras are cheaper and the people who buy M3s are not buying them for drag racing. And IMO the supra should not be bought for drag either. However if someone wanted to make a 1000hp M3 they could do it much better than the supra. Think of it this way, the M3 makes 333hp NA but the supra only makes about 280hp with twin turbos! Now I do know the surpra was tuned down a little before it got to the US but hey same with the M3 just not as much. So in the end I would have not put a supra motor in the M3. The supra motor belongs in the supra and the M3 motor belongs in the M3 but thats just MY OPINION.


Now if anyone has something to say in agreence or disagreence I would really enjoy having an intelligent conversation with some fellow car enthusiasts. I think we all should just respect each others opinions :nono:

I did some research.. 2jz-gte weighs 750lbs....(cast iron parts)
just to compare...
The 360 modena engine weighs 370lbs....(all aluminum like BMW M3)

The supra engine is one of the greatest engines, I6 is really the way to go for power, but the supra engine weighs a lot. and weight is not what you want in a fast-car-setup. Not to mention the fact that the BMW M3
comes with its weight in refined parts&interor aswell as luxury items. those items weigh quite a bit all totalled. SOoo you are looking at one heavy car to go.......fast?....uhhh....get a lighter car. IMO.

I agree about the M3 engine being awesome. It is N/A and its seriously up there with the Big Dogs like ferrari.

2003 360 modena 3.6 liter V8 .. 400hp@ 8600rpm & 275 TQ

2003 Bmw M3 3.2 liter I6 .. 333 @ 7900 RPM & 262 TQ

Add a Hypothetical 400cc Bore/stroke increase to the bmw and you would have damn close figures.

The M3 just isnt the car for the swap. If ppl still want to do the swap for the E46 look&style .. i would say look for a used 323ci E46 you can find them for about..20K USD. That way atleast you are dumping an I6 that isnt so wonderfully tuned.

just my thoughts. I have enjoyed reading this thread though. I love the fact that people are so heated about this stuff. It must mean that they are really passionate about it. Keep on Keepin on!

-Cheers

I did some research.. 2jz-gte weighs 750lbs....(cast iron parts)
just to compare...
The 360 modena engine weighs 370lbs....(all aluminum like BMW M3)


Hey what do you know, Ugly kid joe was right on the money and Leolo-(the-pizza-delivery-man-in-his-civic) is a dumbass!

Hmm i dont know if this counts since it uses nos (or whatever it is called). Link to a 1060 hp E36 M3 s/c.

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=114240

Hmm i dont know if this counts since it uses nos (or whatever it is called). Link to a 1060 hp E36 M3 s/c.

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=114240

Its called Nitrous Oxide. Ya its nice doesnt matter to me if it uses Nitrous. What I find funny though is look at those 4cyl 1000hp motors. They look really low tec compared to this one. Very nice!

the reason for the supra conversion is because the motors are about the same length. supras are also much cheaper to modify. I am the proud owner of a 2003 e46 smg m3. I just put on an active autowerk supercharger and intercooler. The car now makes ove 460 hp at the flywheel. This itself was about an 8000 dollar mod along with exaust chip carbon intake and other small mods, over 12000 has been invested. If 12 grand were put into a supra motor it would make a lot mor than 460 hp. But with mine there in no wait and the power is smooth and pulls untill the redline. i took it to a drag strip just so my friend would shut up about how drag racing is so hard and that i wouldn't be able to do it. It ran a very respectable 12.56 @ 121. BUt this car is really a DAILY driver to and from work over 70 miles a day through a mountain pass of twists and turns. total sleeper with no aparent mods except for the howl out the back and the whine up front

the reason for the supra conversion is because the motors are about the same length. supras are also much cheaper to modify. I am the proud owner of a 2003 e46 smg m3. I just put on an active autowerk supercharger and intercooler. The car now makes ove 460 hp at the flywheel. This itself was about an 8000 dollar mod along with exaust chip carbon intake and other small mods, over 12000 has been invested. If 12 grand were put into a supra motor it would make a lot mor than 460 hp. But with mine there in no wait and the power is smooth and pulls untill the redline. i took it to a drag strip just so my friend would shut up about how drag racing is so hard and that i wouldn't be able to do it. It ran a very respectable 12.56 @ 121. BUt this car is really a DAILY driver to and from work over 70 miles a day through a mountain pass of twists and turns. total sleeper with no aparent mods except for the howl out the back and the whine up front
Thanks Guy, best news all day.. :lol2:

It ran a very respectable 12.56 @ 121.

That is a very impressive trap speed. Can you share with us what else is done to the car other than the AA SC?

Can Anybody Upload Pics Form That Site B/c Its Say Its Not Available Anymore And I Have To See M3 With This Conversion