Space

I been watching alot of Gundam recently and i have been wondering if we'll ever make it into space. What i mean by that is set up colony's and such.

Some people thought we'd be all space age now but we are not. With the recent shuttle disasters it just goes to show research in space technology by Nasa hasn't been progressing like it should've (meaning no disrespect to the people lost in the incident).

I was thinking that people on the Earth may become jealous of those in space or the other way round resulting in fear of one another leading to war but thats extreme.

Anyone want to add what they think of space?

We've been in space for quite some time. Aside from the moon landings, voyager and pioneer are on their way out of solar system and heading for deep space. Quite the journey for those machines.

I would like to see an effort made to get to Mars (which seems like the next step for manned missions). While the shuttle is an amazing engineering feet as well as the space lab, I don't think its the right thing to be doing. Its to damn close to the Earth. We should be setting up shop on the Moon as our next jumping off point.

I do hope I live to see the day we make a manned walk on Mars. It would quite amazing. :)

I don't know...I do see us getting to the Gundam levels actually. It'll be generations from now though. Also, seeing what history shows, we're not due for some major sudden changes for awhile. I believe for now, we'll progress slowly but surely. But, perhaps in our lifetimes, the change will hit and man shall have so many advancements taking us to where we couldn't imagine, or we could, but that's not the point...

:)

I don't know if I'd be jealous of space dwellers, after all, who's in a freezing cold vacume being bombarded by gamma radiation?

We'll get there someday... pre-supposing we don't destroy eachother before then.

I don't know if there's much point in it, I mean we don't call it space for nothing. There's literally almost nothing out there, so the speeds you have to travel just to reach a target destination are ludicrous along with the time frame for doing so.

Then there's the whole problem of our bodies, and that they don't seem at all designed for life in space. From bone density to psycological issues, space is just about the least inviting place for humans to go.

I was thinking along the lines of Gundam with massive colonies and mining space materials i'm sure some substances won't be in abundance on earth anymore and at the rate of expansion of the human race space will be an issue.

Who thinks we should colonize the moon :o

I think the whole problem with being in space is that the profit to risk margin is too wide. Intill someone (not NASA) comes up with a way for cheap reliable (ie safe) mode of trasportation to and from a space port or the moon, no one is willing to take the chance and loose billions of dollars that it takes to make these things.
The tech is there, we need privite interprise to step up and make the hotels of the future in space where the profit is worth the risk, then you will have the basis for people to go to space and to go forward to the moon or mars or elseware.

Scott

Well have any of you people read the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson? Its alittle out of date, and there are a few weird parts to it.

But it gives quite an interesting future for us. Basicly we send one manned mission to Mars. Then 10 years later get 100 of the best scientests, etc we can and construct one massive ship between the US and Russia, & send them to Mars. With the mission of making sure they can live there, and trying to make Mars liveable.

But the biggest hurdle for us colonising space now, is there is not much interest in it. Its not like back in the 60's when 2 countries were racing neck in neck to get to the moon.

Till we get some competition going, we'll never get to mars.

I can only hope the chinese space program, and if they get to the moon. Will start the space race again.

sarujin

i wanna get into space but via a Gundam Wing Zero but i'm still fantasysing about space.

I think that if an Economic Unit was set up in space it would Dublicate itself and reach a large level.

I think it would be a viable solution to have colonies in space lets say if an asteroid was approaching would could evacuate to colonies and ships and stay out of the danger zone.

Also pressuming we have large lasers and such to try and blow up the asteroid



Romanticising about space is healthy isn't it?

Um..right; lol
But its a reality though; blowing each other up in space. I think the day we can colonize the space is the day the entire world stops hating each other...which will be..

Originally posted by NSX
Um..right; lol
But its a reality though; blowing each other up in space. I think the day we can colonize the space is the day the entire world stops hating each other...which will be..

And so the truth was told...yeah, there really be no way a nation as an individual could really colonize space. Considering economic standards now, then the reality of all this...it'd take a, long's not big enough, time to even start atrue project. The world would have to actually be somewhat united to get anywhere.

Originally posted by Damien
The world would have to actually be somewhat united to get anywhere.

Like the world in Star Trek..
One day...

Originally posted by NSX


Like the world in Star Trek..
One day...

Without the campy acting ;)

ok .. space is not a vacuume..
the reason air gets sucked out of everything in space is because gas, like say the air we breath , expands.. and it's being bottles up if you will in the ship.. so if ya poke a hole in it.. space doesn't suck it out.. it pushes itself out..
and 2. yeah i think eventually we'll get into a space colony kind of deal but who knows.. space is really confusing.. sometimes i sit in the hot tub and stare off into the sky and just wonder for a while.. and it's a great feeling to know that it's so huge and so much more to find out..
but like someone said with the shuttle crashes and so on, it may not be in the near future.. and like someone also said. until we can find a cheap reliable way to travel into space it won't happen..
well i agree and disagree.. , 1. yes, it should be safe..
but 2. it should not be cheap.. the reason we keep having these accidents is because the people who make the shuttles are contracted because they submitted the lowest bid.. i know it's a lot of money low or not to be puttin up, but can you put a price on life? i know there are some people who do not believe in space travel or that it is worth the time or effort..well i do .. i would love to take a trip into space at some point.. it's funny how big things really are.. and how small we really are.. :D but anyway .. i would love to learn more about space.. i would love to work for nasa.. not as an astronaut but in any respect..
space interests me.. probably because it is so hard to understand and so much we don't know.. it's no fun spending your life on something that will never change and you know everything about..
some people are afraid of change.. and i welcome it..
thanx for reading.. and the simpsons rule.. !!!

lack of gas (or just about anything) = vacuum ;)

Originally posted by NSX
Um..right; lol
But its a reality though; blowing each other up in space. I think the day we can colonize the space is the day the entire world stops hating each other...which will be..

no the whole world would probably still loathe each other. If corruption doesn't revert everyone back to the dark ages first :o

Originally posted by NSX
Um..right; lol
But its a reality though; blowing each other up in space. I think the day we can colonize the space is the day the entire world stops hating each other...which will be..

Yea, the earth would probably go to war with the moon or something stupid like that.

Or some of those 3rd world planets would hate eachother..

i want my star trek future !!! no money , no nations , one world with the only goal being to better yourselves and learn. Id love to just fly around looking at planets and stars and stuff. Thats all way beyond my lifetime but who knows , maybe someday if the the whole world can get its act together. oh yeah and i want one of those replicator thingies so I can make the perfect margurita everytime !!! :)

i don't think that it'll happen anytime soon i don't even think that it'll happen during my lifetime. not that it's not possible, just that i feel that it's not going to be accomplished within a 100 year period

Surely space exploration can produce a profit in some way. IE materials Asteroid mines and other Economies. You could surely come up with some new stuff if you were able to research materials in space.
:o

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Surely space exploration can produce a profit in some way. IE materials Asteroid mines and other Economies. You could surely come up with some new stuff if you were able to research materials in space.
:o

we already have , things like velcro , microwaves , and tang are all results of research in space.

do you mean Microwaves as in the Wave that travels the speed of light
or the Kitchen Appliance

if its the latter it was invented by some guy walking past a device emitting a microwave and the chocolate bar in his pocket melted. :o

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
do you mean Microwaves as in the Wave that travels the speed of light
or the Kitchen Appliance

if its the latter it was invented by some guy walking past a device emitting a microwave and the chocolate bar in his pocket melted. :o

no , thats just what the government tells you. really it was developed as a way for william shatner to kill tribbles efficiently and humanely , as well as to cure the problem of klingons not getting enough protien .

Originally posted by BigJustinZ28


no , thats just what the government tells you. really it was developed as a way for william shatner to kill tribbles efficiently and humanely , as well as to cure the problem of klingons not getting enough protien .

you watch too much Star Trek :huh: Microwaves Humane? Their Blood would boil.

did I say it was humane for the animals ??? just set it and forget it. hewhehehehehehe !!!!

this thread is now dedicated to the Trebbles

I thought they died because they ate poisoned grain or something ?

they did die because of poison grain . but wouldnt it be more funny if they had microwaved the little bastards ??? POP !!! Muahahahahah !!!

Kirk: "Scottie , I want forcefields all around storage bay 2 , set the emitters for "popcorn" , 2 min's "

Scottie: "But captain , the bay is not microwave safe"

Mccoy: "Dammit !!! I'm a doctor , not emerill"

Spock: "captain , wouldnt "chicken" be a more logical choice?"

Kirk: "JUST DO IT !!!"

Originally posted by BigJustinZ28
i want my star trek future !!! no money , no nations , one world with the only goal being to better yourselves and learn. Id love to just fly around looking at planets and stars and stuff. Thats all way beyond my lifetime but who knows , maybe someday if the the whole world can get its act together. oh yeah and i want one of those replicator thingies so I can make the perfect margurita everytime !!! :)

Wasn't that the episode where the 20th century cryogenically frozen earth people were found in a sattalite, thawed and brought aboard?

i want a Gundam Future

star trek is poo :flipa:

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
i want a Gundam Future

star trek is poo :flipa:

HEY!!!
STAR TREK IS THE SHIZ!
hahaha

Warp 9.9 on a starship can destroy any 1000hp McLaren

muhahuhaaa

Originally posted by NSX


HEY!!!
STAR TREK IS THE SHIZ!
hahaha

Warp 9.9 on a starship can destroy any 1000hp McLaren

muhahuhaaa

GUNDAM Ownz
:o

I'm building an Albion (from 0083) and a Wing Zero i want that shiz

Damn, im pissed I found this thread so late, still exploring all the forums.

Anyway, yeah id like a gundam future, that would be sweet. The problem with the colonies is the cosmic radiation, you would need some thick walls to stop that.

If were going to start claiming gundams... F91, Nu Gundam or Double X


www.gundamexpo.com

Hmm..space.. the final frontier..

Such equally weak and strong words.. Not necesarily the final frontier..but perhaps a wish for a next step.. Yet our brains have changed little. We still consider flashy lights in sci-fi movies as 'next-gen' futuristic equipment. Says a thing or two about how primitive we still are and what state our mind, body and spirit have achieved.

We are still stuck in our sensual state. However I am all for senses but with rationale.. Now what am I to say.. hmm will we make it? Doubtely perhaps a few groups from this planet.. generally with how things are for example right now.. no. If we can't survive on this planet we definetely can not even BEGIN to live in space. Some might be ready some might not. While there are people like bush, people like sadam, and their crop, their blind defenders,.. well there definetely won't be any further steps.

We've even taken a step back technologically. Everything is produced in shitty ass quantity to make money not quality to make progress. Progress is money in modern western societies.. Reality is of no concern when you can just play a video game or watch a movie with space. Going into space wouldn't be an acomplishment but merely a thrill ride in turn.

Look even the concorde was put to rest, all the space vehicles were 'downgraded' if you will. Technology means weapons which mean power which mean money.. Technology doesn't mean progress and the will to better ourselves.. If it were the latter we'd be in space a long time ago. Perhaps we'll reach space with the current way things are going but definetely not in the way that it would last..

By the way I follow gundam as well ;) I also worked/work on Gundam related Total Conversions/Mods/Games, and am working on a mecha game on a team I co-founded (game with a brand new next-genengine not mod/tc). A gundam future is not a good future, the technological aspect perhaps..but get real :/ Unless you love war :/

Cheers

Your points are strong and true gigatron. They way I see it, if we get rid of money we wont have those problems. Reminds me of the electric multi-colored turbo thread I saw in the Del Sol forum..

I like the idea of colonies. For any of you guys realy into the tech aspect of the series the colonies seen in UC they were invisioned by a US professor and actuially proposed to NASA or Congress (I cant remember witch) to be built.

I also like the idea of 6 story tall giant walking robots. Screw cars I want to go pounding down the street in a 60 foot tall robot.

Heh ;) Well back to reality *lol* Nah gundam is an interesting story with alot of moral, the recent gundams are a joke merely entertainment but hey robots still rule and actually there is a what could be classified as a real mecha. It's a giant spider vehicle for cutting wood I forget the name its somewhere in my bookmarks it would fascinate you I'm sure. It's a step into creating mecha. Regarding 'more realistic' mecha shows check out patlabor. It's more down to earth and we could relate :)

The original gundam series even the designs were actually designed by an engineer (sure it is a cartoon but hey). I really love the original series it's quite fascinating. Star Trek is quite fascinating too.. but when they go mumbling stuff thats 3/4 BS.. I just turn it off because the actors actually start to believe those things hahaha.. anyways :D

Yes regarding colonies NASA actually is working on certain projects of that sort and on things that relate.. but dunno how its all doing with constant cuts as of late. Regarding money, well 'getting rid of money' is not what I implied. That wouldn't work lol.. well we are clearly waay below such a level.. Sadly yes, people are highly concerned with making money but they forget what money really is. I think humanity is heading in the wrong direction we should stop for a moment and think.. Perhaps it's just how it's meant to be, history repeats itself and its like a loop, we have to do certain wrongs and then we learn from them... as sad as it is. That's all I guess :/

I am an avid lover of space, generaly anything unknown or new but.. Space its just... just intriguing :X It holds philosophical meaning even through its self-potrayal of silent. We have much to learn from that.

Seems to me like everybody has to get there heads out of there asses in society. Not everything is about money.

We also have a society that protects stupidity, an education system that doesn't work right, and some people running everything that are 'paid on commission by their campaign supporters. Progress can't be made in a society where people will do things the wrong and backwards way for personal finical gains

What we need is a society where stupid people are given help, not protected, an education system about learning not credentials, and a governing body completely made by the people. If there educated they can make educated decisions right? I think we have the technology to have the nation instantly vote on a topic, should be as easy as sending an instant message on a cell phone.

Personally I don't want to be in space, the threat of decompression would scare the hell out of me.

I think things are going to get worse before they get better, maybe around 2030 we will get straightened out.

Sorry for the rant guys, I'm frustrated with the US.

In Star Trek right, they have, as somebody mentioned, no money, all the stuff is simply shared etc, so make Voyager a flying house of space communism???

Yea Gundam has lost its edge a bit but i find some of the Stories still have some meaning

you just have to avoid G-Gundam that one was ridiculous


(I'm claiming Gundam 0083 and 08th MS team Gundam X and Gundam Wing's Gundams - all 8 of them i did it somewhere else in the forum
another thing why is there only one F91 its sooo much better than some other the other series they made apparently is was a flop but i thought it was good)

PS I intend to build these robots i haven't figured out how and i'll probably turn quite mad if i try to.


Star Trek annoys me because of the idea of no currency. It kind of begs the question why would you work? Why would you want to be under someone else when you don't even get paid for it. You could do nothing and get a load of stuff. I'm not sure that its well thought out that sorta thing. Its easy to say it in Sci Fi but to apply such a thing to real life is near impossible and possibly impractical.

I intend to build a mobile suit that simply works, beam weapons will come later. I think I got some ideas that will work and I plan to build a 6 foot tall proof of concept model in the near future. My concept is loosely based on the RX-79 [G]. Good luck building anything from Gundam W or Gundam X those things only weigh 16 tons (a realistic figure is 50tons).

Alright then if you claim all those... I get FAZZ

G gundam was alright just different, I view Gundam W as being ridiculous, all that endless preaching about pacifism and such.

SEED is alright in my book, although it lacks alot of what I like from the UC series.

The idea behind Star Trek is to better yourself, supposedly people have evolved to a point where they wouldent sit infront of a replicator creating things to there greedy content. I dont buy it, Star Trek is pure sci-fi, it will never happen.

What about a Cowboy Bebop future? :D

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Star Trek annoys me because of the idea of no currency. It kind of begs the question why would you work? Why would you want to be under someone else when you don't even get paid for it. You could do nothing and get a load of stuff. I'm not sure that its well thought out that sorta thing. Its easy to say it in Sci Fi but to apply such a thing to real life is near impossible and possibly impractical.

I never gave that enough attention but yes in Star Trek Contact that is clearly mentioned.. Although there is trade of values and stuff so I'm confused on the matter.. it's a bit odd. There is still "give this and you'll get something".

None the less for a utopia setting humans are still too early or too primitive.. if we'll ever even reach such a level. Quite frankly if human society on earth was utopiatic there wouldn't be need for money. If the system was perfect in such a manner that when you're born you have the choice of pursuit of what you want no matter. You go to the educational system and you work for it really hard. In turn you benefit society through your work. Like an interdependant constant give and take without the actual wanting of getting or selfishness of giving. Tough concept to consume and most would just go "nya whatever you crazy mofo". Clearly such responses outline that we would not survive because there'd be someone in a crowd of a thousand good people who would screw over the 999 for his own intent. But hey :) It's a sci-fi and a utopia :) The only reason they fight is because of aliens otherwise earth is a utopia. Yes there are ocassional bastards who wana screw everyone but the system is above them and they are stopped the system preventing that individual from damaging the utopia.

The only difference is then amongst alien species not human species. That's the thing. Ah well lol..

Originally posted by gigatron


I never gave that enough attention but yes in Star Trek Contact that is clearly mentioned.. Although there is trade of values and stuff so I'm confused on the matter.. it's a bit odd. There is still "give this and you'll get something".

None the less for a utopia setting humans are still too early or too primitive.. if we'll ever even reach such a level. Quite frankly if human society on earth was utopiatic there wouldn't be need for money. If the system was perfect in such a manner that when you're born you have the choice of pursuit of what you want no matter. You go to the educational system and you work for it really hard. In turn you benefit society through your work. Like an interdependant constant give and take without the actual wanting of getting or selfishness of giving. Tough concept to consume and most would just go "nya whatever you crazy mofo". Clearly such responses outline that we would not survive because there'd be someone in a crowd of a thousand good people who would screw over the 999 for his own intent. But hey :) It's a sci-fi and a utopia :) The only reason they fight is because of aliens otherwise earth is a utopia. Yes there are ocassional bastards who wana screw everyone but the system is above them and they are stopped the system preventing that individual from damaging the utopia.

The only difference is then amongst alien species not human species. That's the thing. Ah well lol..

Its a bit hard to associate the current human race to that of star treks when we seem more like the aliens.

Gundam just seems to change alot it seems that there isn't much of a correlation between all the series and i just think people keep reinterpreting it and making up new stories. The original UC sets of series were the best. My favourite was 0083 because it just seemed to make sense along with 08th MS Team.

No man you're livin' old y0! Warp 9.98!! the shiznit!! Actually I think they reach 9.99 see u cant reach warp 10 acording to some weird physics (dunno if its made up or what lol but ya)... so they go 9.xxx whatever. If you reach 10 it would be like travelling at infinity.. something likethat... ALTHOUGH in voyager lol.. they managed to go like that.. something like that ah well its all messed lol..

Originally posted by gigatron
No man you're livin' old y0! Warp 9.98!! the shiznit!! Actually I think they reach 9.99 see u cant reach warp 10 acording to some weird physics (dunno if its made up or what lol but ya)... so they go 9.xxx whatever. If you reach 10 it would be like travelling at infinity.. something likethat... ALTHOUGH in voyager lol.. they managed to go like that.. something like that ah well its all messed lol..

wasn't it something like they can't go warp 10 cuz the human body can't take it.

I heard if you travel the speed of light your mass is extended over a great distance and thats all i remember because its insane and confusing ....... i'll figure it out one day.:comprage1

Traveling at the speed of light; time stops. So really it is like being in every place in the universe at the same time, if you are the one going at the speed of light.

Bascialy it dosent matter how fast your going once time as stopped for you, because since time has stopped it dosent seem to take any time to get anywhere.....


When you involve time more then once in any sentince it causes headaches. :rolleyes:

BTW: The nifty little trick to Star Trek is they expand the space behind them and contract the space in front them.. Warp Drive....

O :bigthumb:

Originally posted by GundamExpo
BTW: The nifty little trick to Star Trek is they expand the space behind them and contract the space in front them.. Warp Drive....

Nasa has been working on stuff like that :D

And I thought warp 1 was speed of light in star trek? Ten was like .. somethng else? Like.. they could travel anywhere they wanted in space with warp 10 instantenously. Star trek is poo when it comes down to screwing up real world physics heh

yea its like erm no

Star Trek is full of it

But if youi watch 08th MS Team (gundam) on of the parts theres like a computer screen with a load of info being uploaded to this deadly zeon mobile suit all the little data transfer things on the screen are names of Computer processors it even says intel and amd 86x and stuff like that

Then there's gundam wing and when bardge (balji in the japanese dub) fires the beam

they use terms like HKS converter and TRD something or other I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF

i'll never be able to take that part seriously again ever unless i watch the english dub :lol:

The way humans are we would probably end up like (GundamExpo mentioned this, I know) a Cowboy Bebop future, or something like the quarreling of Gundam W. It all ends up being political once the initial shock and awe of being able to do these things (live in and colonize space) wears off. Personally, I think you wouldn't be able to help crime, murder, and greed because those things are inherently human nature. So why not be there to cash in when that stuff happens as a bounty hunter? Spike is the shit!

yea more than likely a cross between Gundam politics and CowBoy Bebop behaviour


Its interesting that the Japanese produce the most likely things whilst on the other hand you have Star Trek ............... :redface:

Star Trek like world could only work if societies on earth were utopian like... unfortunately no :/ Especially as of recently..

I think if the japanese didnt have their current economic troubles they would be going somewhere, they have a lot of 'down to earth dreamers' over there. I think the future is going to end up like cowboy bebop. if we really screw up it could be like TriGun.

The future always tends to be stranger then we imagine it. Think of al the magical technology in sci fi then look at some of the stuff we have today. Think of what would happen if you showed a cave man magnets, a camera, a telephone, an airplane (aeroplane for the brits).

Some people think our grand period of inventing has come to a close with the end of the century, I believe it is just begining.

thats like that thing in FF7 (i'm such a geek)
where CID starts going on about Science is a Magic that Humans created. That game no less was japanese too.

I swear if japan was able to produce its own military goods with its own resources which the island is famous for having none then they'd have Gundams and i'd move to Japan.

In either case i'm still trying to work my way to Japan

Trigun....now THAT is a little far fetched. Not how they got to the planet gunsmoke, but that actual planet is bogus. Can't believe Vash is such a weenie throughout all but like 4 episodes!

i thought it was hilarious

the one were he saves the women from the impending doom of the flying fist is pretty cool

and yea he's a bit of a pussy