1998 Chevy Blazer 4.3 p0306

I have read some on this here and other places but I wanted to post my particular problem I am having. This is primarily my wives car and she said when it started she almost ran out of gas then got some cheapo gas from some county gas station and literally like 3 to 4 min after it started chugging and wanting to cut out. She put around 20bucks at 2.74 a gallon so I told her to fill it on up with premium and stop at advance and get seafoam and run it through. Well we did all that and after running all that gas out its still has error code but runs great other than a rough idle has same power justshakes a little at idle little hard to start. Has had a total tune up(Cap rotor pin plugs wires) with ac delco etc . Should I change the fuel filter to start or check the fuel supply lines(Poppets) to the cyclinder under intake?? Thanks

I have read some on this here and other places but I wanted to post my particular problem I am having. This is primarily my wives car and she said when it started she almost ran out of gas then got some cheapo gas from some county gas station and literally like 3 to 4 min after it started chugging and wanting to cut out. She put around 20bucks at 2.74 a gallon so I told her to fill it on up with premium and stop at advance and get seafoam and run it through. Well we did all that and after running all that gas out its still has error code but runs great other than a rough idle has same power justshakes a little at idle little hard to start. Has had a total tune up(Cap rotor pin plugs wires) with ac delco etc . Should I change the fuel filter to start or check the fuel supply lines(Poppets) to the cyclinder under intake?? Thanks

Go to a local mechanic, get them to print out the PROPER diagnostic procedure for your code. Plug n Pray swap-a-part repair technique is a gargantuan waste of cash.

Post back if you get the printout, OR, in a day or 2, I will be able to post the procedure for your code (just got factory books, and they take a WHILE to sort through - 3 books, 8 inches).

Go to a local mechanic, get them to print out the PROPER diagnostic procedure for your code. Plug n Pray swap-a-part repair technique is a gargantuan waste of cash.

Post back if you get the printout, OR, in a day or 2, I will be able to post the procedure for your code (just got factory books, and they take a WHILE to sort through - 3 books, 8 inches).



Ok thanks for the info. Just to add a note . Yesterday after she got fresh gas it slowly has gotten better.Its not as rough of an idle.. but still noticeable and a little hard to start. I will take and get a read out at a local mechanic and post what they say..

A P0306 code is a misfire on your #6 cylinder. First thing I would check is your spark plug wire on the #6 cylinder and make sure it's clean and tight on your coil and plug. If you fix the problem the check engine light will go away after a few trips.

Thanks for the replies. I knew that a p0306 was a misfire on 6 and have pulled the plug and checked the wires etc already before I started this thread. I probably should have stated that. I talked to a local auto tech today and he told me to change fuel filter and if that didnt fix it to bring it in and he'd look at it and put a fuel pressure test on it and go from there. He said number six cylinder is the last to get gas so if the gas is being blocked that at idle it could be that there is not enough getting to all the poppets fuel lines under intake, that the fuel line could be blocked by something etc.. I am going to go ahead and change fuel filter today or tomorrow and see how it does. I will post after I change the filter and go from there. Drove it today and runs great plenty of power but when you stop or at idle it gets a little rough still....Hopefully its just a 10 dollar fuel filter fix..lol


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One thing you might want to check before turning it over to a mechanic is your fuel pressure regulator. It's on the return side of the fuel rail. Disconnect the vacuum hose from the fuel pressure regulator, if the vacuum hose has fuel in it the fuel pressure regulator is bad. Do you smell fuel at all?

Thanks for the info Ralph123 I will definitely check it when I change the fuel filter! Its pouring the rain here today so hopefully tomorow will be a better day to work on it..

Thanks a bunch

I talked to a local auto tech today and he told me to change fuel filter and if that didnt fix it to bring it in and he'd look at it and put a fuel pressure test on it and go from there.

NO. NONONO.

He DID say first to swap the #6 plug with another plug, right? And then he said to swap the #6 wire with another wire, right?

If he didn't, don't go back. Let's see if the computer is actually right (it is), when it says #6 misFIRE, INSTEAD OF P0174 Fuel System Too Lean (Bank 2) (NOT ENOUGH FUEL).

First swap 2 wires, disconnect the battery, and drive til FULL WARM, to an Advance / Zone, and get a scan. If you get the same code, then swap 2 plugs, don't forget to disconnect the battery, and return to Advance / Zone. Re-scan, and post back results.

Ok update.. I changed the oil this morning and went ahead and changed the fuel filter because I already had one and it was due to be changed anyways. I already had swapped the sparkplug out of number 6 into number 4 and gave the same code. Today I have already swapped number 6 wire for number 4 going to see if misfire moves to 4 cylinder etc. After changing fuel filter it didnt change anything but its good to know that its a new one under there anyways.

I will post what the read out is later today after lunch.

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... I talked to a local auto tech today and he told me to change fuel filter and if that didnt fix it to bring it in and he'd look at it and put a fuel pressure test on it and go from there. A restricted fuel filter will affect ALL cylinders, not just one. He said number six cylinder is the last to get gas so if the gas is being blocked that at idle it could be that there is not enough getting to all the poppets fuel lines under intake, that the fuel line could be blocked by something etc. Totally inacurate information. All injectors receive the same amount of fuel, they are all mounted in the same housing and they are fired sequentially. ...

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Check fuel pressure and leakdown first, that will tell if there is a problem with fuel delivery to the injectors. If a poppet valve or injector is stuck open, restricted, or not functioning properly, further testing will be nesessary.

Check fuel pressure and leakdown first, that will tell if there is a problem with fuel delivery to the injectors. If a poppet valve or injector is stuck open, restricted, or not functioning properly, further testing will be nesessary.

OP: this is information that you NEED to know FIRST AND FOREMOST, if there's ANY tune problem. Watch the FP gauge when you turn the key, and if it goes right to max, the filter has no restrictions. Then you know the pump, filter, injectors, FPR, lines are all good - killing 5 birds with one test, 2 turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree uh huh. :grinyes:

Probably ought to swap out the air freshener too, just to know it's a good one.








(j/k about the freshener)


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...Watch the FP gauge when you turn the key, and if it goes right to max, the filter has no restrictions.

Not necessarilly... a restricted fuel filter can allow fuel pressure through it but have severly reduced fuel flow.

Ok update after swapping wires still says misfire on 6 po306 same code after unplugging battery for approx 25 min. Same code. So I know its not plugs or wires or fuel filter. I now have a new problem also. After plugging my battery back up my AC/Heater now only blows hot? I unplugged the battery and reset it again and still the same thing only heat. It has been raining and I thought well maybe something got wet? On my way to advance it seemed like it was going back and forth hot cold over and over. I have the automatic computer controlled climate thermostate.who knows just another problem. I ran the blazer pretty good and it has excellent pick up and power so wierd that it has this little hesitation /miss?????? What should I do next??

Is #6 plug wet with fuel or coolant, or dry after driving?

Its dry looks like number 4 plug

Not necessarilly... a restricted fuel filter can allow fuel pressure through it but have severly reduced fuel flow.

If it's got restriction, it's gonna' take a couple of seconds to max the reading. Don't you think?

If it's free, it's gonna' peg immediately...

OP - I had my battery disconnected yesterday, and now my fan temp is cycling cold / hot, short cycle too. I'm not on that now tho'...

Are you SURE you're seating the plug wires GOOD? Like feeling the snap onto the connector?

Go to here (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-tech-performance/2104010-injector-videos-and-questions.html), and see how to do an ohm test for #6 injector. If no one here knows spec ohms for injector, do the others too to compare. Vette injectors spec at 16+ ohms.

With new cap, rotor, plug and wire ruled OUT, nothing is left except injector leaking fuel, like OM was getting at.

If it's got restriction, it's gonna' take a couple of seconds to max the reading. Don't you think?

If it's free, it's gonna' peg immediately....

Typically it takes a second or two to build regulated pressure. Easier and safer just to remove the filter and check it.

If #6 plug is dry, the injector is not stuck open. The question is why isn't it getting fuel. Wiring to the injector? Faulty injector? Stuck or clogged poppet valve? Vacuum leak on #6 intake runner, (could be internal or external). Need to do some more testing.

You still haven't posted your fuel pressure.
You could still try doing a couple of things that won't cost you anything except your time.
Try swapping 2 of your coils. Your computer maybe seeing a problem with the #6 tower so no matter which plug wire you put on that coil tower it still reports a problem with #6.

swap 2 of your fuel injectors

do a compression test on #6.

Haven't checked the fuel pressure yet.. Mine has a distributor not coils. It has the center port fuel injection system with the spider looking injectors. They are under the intake and I think there is only two injectors that feed the fuel lines to the cylinders. I do not have the equipment to check compression or fuel pressure. Does advance rent any of this equipment. I'll post as soon as I get this info hopefully sooner than later.I pulled the distributor off today just to double check the rotor pin and cap and they look great.Has to be fuel pump or the fuel line for number 6. The car doesn't have very many miles and has been taken very good care of and doesn't burn oil.Feels nice and tight and good oil pressure. Has always ran great. Cant even feel it running from inside. Great engine until now..

There are 6 injectors inside the plenum. The connector for the injector pack is accessible without removing the plenum. In the injector connector, the pink wire supplies battery voltage to each injector when the ignition is in the RUN and CRANK positions. The ECM supplies ground to each injector sequentially to fire them. Make sure the pink wire has battery voltage to #6 injector. The ground wire for #6 cylinder is yellow with a black stripe. It should pulse ground while the engine is running. A Noid light will confirm this. http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/accessories/accProductDetails.jsp?counter=0&categoryDisplayName=Tools&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=948078_0_0_&productId=948078&sortType=&parentId=6-10&filterByKeyWord=noid+light&categoryNValue=100006&navValue=101681&fromWhere=&itemId=1681-10&displayName=Injector+Signal+Tester&store=2117&skuDisplayName=6+pcs.+noid+light+set&brandName=OEM

If that checks out OK, the technical difficulty level goes up a step. Disconnect the injector electrical connector and check injector resistance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g8PdrT0MCU&feature=player_embedded If resistance is good, remove the plenum and carefully remove the plastic poppet valve to #6 cylinder from the lower intake manifold and direct it into a jar. Connect the fuel lines to the injector pack and cycle the ignition to pressurize the system, don't crank the engine. If you apply battery voltage to one terminal of the #6 injector and momentarily ground the other, the poppet should spray fuel.