Learn from the wise men of the past

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/goering-quote.jpe
Let's discuss.

Originally posted by igor@af
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/goering-quote.jpe
Let's discuss.

O.K. He was a Nazi. End of discussion.

Originally posted by Pick


O.K. He was a Nazi. End of discussion.

Big deal, just because he's a nazi doesn't me he wasn't smart. Hell, Hitler was a very intelligent person. Rommel was a brilliant tactician. Just because you don't agree with their views(and neither do i so don't start anything about that) doesn't mean that they aren't intelligent.

Personnally I think that has got to be one of the most intelligent quotes I've ever seen. I do believe that that's definitly going on the locker wall.

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch


Big deal, just because he's a nazi doesn't me he wasn't smart. Hell, Hitler was a very intelligent person. Rommel was a brilliant tactician. Just because you don't agree with their views(and neither do i so don't start anything about that) doesn't mean that they aren't intelligent.

Personnally I think that has got to be one of the most intelligent quotes I've ever seen. I do believe that that's definitly going on the locker wall.

I never said he wasn't smart. Hitler may have been a genius, and this guy may have been too, but htat does not overshadow the fact they they were genocidal murderers.

Ah, touche! but the fact that they were genocidal murderers is as they say, bunk. That fact has no relevance to the discussion at hand which is our views on the quote. Doesn't matter who said it, only what is said. An you have to admit that that quote is 100% true and directly applicable to the current situation in america. So, Game on!

Originally posted by Pick


O.K. He was a Nazi. End of discussion.

If you can't think beyond the blindingly obvious,you'll never be respected as a debater.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Pick


O.K. He was a Nazi. End of discussion.

Pick, I am sorry to say this, but you are one of the most ignorant people I have seen here on AF. Any intelligent person would be ashamed of the fact that you are trying to 'represent' the 'American views' on this message board.

Flame on, but Hitler was a great leader. Think about it... He unified a group towards a single cause. Was it for the right reason? HELL NO. It was entirely immoral as to why he did it, but the fact is that he did it and did it with hardly anyone else noticing until it was too late.

So... Does that make Bush a great leader? Okay, for as much as I loathe the man, I suppose it does. But as I've already shown, being a good leader doesn't mean you lead for the right cause.

Whatever you all say. Im really tired, and I dont care. :(

Originally posted by Zippy
Whatever you all say. Im really tired, and I dont care. :(

lay down then,and just let the world happen around you.Your input was never likely to change it anyway.And neither is mine.:)

Originally posted by taranaki


lay down then,and just let the world happen around you.Your input was never likely to change it anyway.And neither is mine.:)

I have "butterfly syndrome" also. Yes, women can make you feel very weird.

Originally posted by Zippy


I have "butterfly syndrome" also. Yes, women can make you feel very weird. Trust me,lack of women will make you feel weirder.

Originally posted by taranaki
Trust me,lack of women will make you feel weirder.

Im relatively young, still in highschool to be specific. Its just makes me feel kinda weird, point blank. Trust me though, I like this girl.

Hitler did far more for Germany than what Bush has done for the US- only problem is his work got undone when he made a few stupid decisions- he was however a genius- and had a power of persuation like no other. Genocide will not change that fact.

Originally posted by Jimster
Hitler did far more for Germany than what Bush has done for the US- only problem is his work got undone when he made a few stupid decisions- he was however a genius- and had a power of persuation like no other. Genocide will not change that fact.

Agreed. Dispite his crimes against humanity, he was hands down the best leader in the 20th century in terms of rebuilding the country after WW1 and getting people to do what he said.

he was hands down the best leader in the 20th century in terms of rebuilding the country

I disagree.
FDR while being limited considering he was a democrat inherited a country that was financially in ruins,

Hitler on the other hand used slave labor to rebuild his country. He was the single most evil person of that century. I fail to see anything positive concerning him. He lead by fear and intimidation not unlike Saddam.

I never said Hitler was a bad leader. His tactics were brilliant, but his ideas were horrible. His execution of 6 million people was and is enough to overshadow his accomplishments. I'll give him credit where credit is due, but he was an awful man. Don't fool yourselves.

Originally posted by inferno


Agreed. Dispite his crimes against humanity, he was hands down the best leader in the 20th century in terms of rebuilding the country after WW1 and getting people to do what he said.

I would have to say it would be a close race between him, FDR, and Stalin(Not very good company for FDR:) ).

Originally posted by igor@af


Pick, I am sorry to say this, but you are one of the most ignorant people I have seen here on AF. Any intelligent person would be ashamed of the fact that you are trying to 'represent' the 'American views' on this message board.

You know what's funny? Your opinion represents the minority in America. Mine represents the majority.

So I'm ignorant because you see my values as ignorant? Or my ideas? Check yourself, make sure you stand for the right thing. If you think you do, that's your loss. You can call me ignorant all you want. It doesn't bother me. I've figured out on here that name-calling makes you inferior not me.

There are plenty of intelligent people on here. Do you consider yourself one of them?

Getting a country a bit patriotic does stir up trouble especially should that country attack someone or is attacked by someone else. As you can see they need to support the country in the first place their is a clear lack of respect for lets say the leaders of iraq by its people in such an instance. Even the large amount of propoganda doesn't seem to have had much effect. Needless to say there still were militia who supported Sadamn even tho the regular army had run away including the republican guard. :o

Reports sent back from front lines saying that our forces have been killed. IE these people live next to you and they are fighting for the survival of our country. It does stir up a sense of patriotism in the people.

Not to mention a good war is always likely to save whoever is in office.
- baised on a qoute by a well know person that i am not likely to remember the name of sorry.

Originally posted by Pick


You know what's funny? Your opinion represents the minority in America. Mine represents the majority.

So I'm ignorant because you see my values as ignorant? Or my ideas? Check yourself, make sure you stand for the right thing. If you think you do, that's your loss. You can call me ignorant all you want. It doesn't bother me. I've figured out on here that name-calling makes you inferior not me.

There are plenty of intelligent people on here. Do you consider yourself one of them?

Did you know that you can't average the population

No one shares the exact same opinions all the time every time

some people take a different angle on certain events even if they want the same outcome.

To say you represent the majority is just plain ignorance at its best and it is extremely dangerous when an individual expresses these views because these individuals think they know whats best and what is right for the country and they usually have someone to blaim too.

http://www.hitler.org/images/hitler.in.car.jpg

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
I disagree.
FDR while being limited considering he was a democrat inherited a country that was financially in ruins,

Hitler on the other hand used slave labor to rebuild his country. He was the single most evil person of that century. I fail to see anything positive concerning him. He lead by fear and intimidation not unlike Saddam.

I'm not taking away from FDR's accomplishments, but IMO, Hitler did a far better job at rebuilding. I didn't say he went about it the right way, but he did make Germany a super power again after they had basically been pummeled during WW1.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


Not to mention a good war is always likely to save whoever is in office.
- baised on a qoute by a well know person that i am not likely to remember the name of sorry.

Oh really? What about Bush Sr.?

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


Did you know that you can't average the population

No one shares the exact same opinions all the time every time

some people take a different angle on certain events even if they want the same outcome.

To say you represent the majority is just plain ignorance at its best and it is extremely dangerous when an individual expresses these views because these individuals think they know whats best and what is right for the country and they usually have someone to blaim too.

http://www.hitler.org/images/hitler.in.car.jpg

I never said I represented the majority. I said my opinion does.

Post deleted.Personal attacks on other members in this forum will not be tolerated.

Originally posted by Pick


I never said I represented the majority. I said my opinion does.

even tho i am quite quite drunk i will defend myself

you did too :o

Originally posted by taranaki
Post deleted.Personal attacks on other members in this forum will not be tolerated.

Naki, that picture can be seen as offensive, just as my comments can. Oh well......I apologize.

Originally posted by Pick


Naki, that picture can be seen as offensive, just as my comments can. Oh well......I apologize.


How is it offensive???? It's Hitler standing up in a car.........................:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Pick


You know what's funny? Your opinion represents the minority in America. Mine represents the majority.

So I'm ignorant because you see my values as ignorant? Or my ideas? Check yourself, make sure you stand for the right thing. If you think you do, that's your loss. You can call me ignorant all you want. It doesn't bother me. I've figured out on here that name-calling makes you inferior not me.

There are plenty of intelligent people on here. Do you consider yourself one of them?

:right:

I THINK THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE B/C HE RALLIED THESE PEOPLE INTO KILLING MILLIONS OF JEWS BY MAKING THEM THINK THAT THEY WERE THE ENEMY.....AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS ABLE TO BRING THIS ABOUT IN SUCH A SHORT PEROID OF TIME.....

Originally posted by Pick


You know what's funny? Your opinion represents the minority in America. Mine represents the majority.



i told you so

:o

Originally posted by igor@af


:right:

You know Igor, I really like your sense of humor.:D :D :)

Originally posted by Jimster



How is it offensive???? It's Hitler standing up in a car.........................:rolleyes:

Sorry, I was adding a little liberal syndrome into my post. I wasn't serious.

WOW.

Back to the original subject of this post and the on-topic respsonses, this is one of the most shocking threads I've read in awhile.

Firstly, I do not agree with Goering's qoute. Especially not in a democracy, and one which champions freedom of speech. If an unjust war were so easy to prosecute and the opinions of the people so easily manipulated, why then did Vietnam tear a deep rift into the American homefront? While leadership and power does afford one some ability to sway public opinion, this is not effective over the long term and in the face of contradictory evidence. This is just as easily illustrated by today's war in Iraq; though the majority of the American population supports the action, a significant percentage also disagree for one reason or another and their voices are heard everywhere and often. I would instead approach Goering and ask that if the questioning of authority is so natural to man (and anyone who has a kid knows this to be true), why then his stance on the ease of manipulating people? In a country without state run media, one that has freedom of speech and of the press, and one that encourages populace education in all it's forms; I submit that dissent during wartime is more natural than any other possible outcome.


And in regards to Hitler being a great leader, well that argument simply doesn't hold water. Look back to the earlier posts and you'll see qualifiers such as not having to worry about being for the right cause, or "despite his crimes against humanity". Leaders are to be judged not only by their actions, but their intentions AND perhaps most importantly the outcome of both. Hitler did one thing for his country: run it directly into the ground with a viscousness never before seen in modern military history. He may have been democratically elected, but the country soon become a martial law system under his command and his regime was ultimately responsible for the entire country's near destruction. That, ladies and gentlemen, doesn't make for a great leader. You can say he was a persuasive and charismatic speaker, you can say he was brilliantly ruthless and incredible driven, but you cannot say he was a great leader.

who said he was a great leader? He just shifted the blame on someone and everyone believed him :o Everyone believed in him because he offered to make Germany powerful once more like before the Great War ie Prussia Germany Austria East European countries at the time. There are parties that are around like the Nazi's i.e BNP British Nationalist Party and there are too many old farts that believe the crap that they brew up. :(