360 modena vs. z06

well, sense basically the argument were having on another thread in this forum has turned into a thread of its own, why not hear opinions from others?

what would win in a pure test of performance, and what is ur reasoning for ur decision?

personally i say the z06 would edge the modena, but i have heard many others say the z06 is no match

btw . . . 'the modena wins because its a ferrari' is not a valid response

sheesh now that is a very very good comparison. i can't think of any real advantages that the ferrari has over the Z06 except that the ferrari has alot more finesse. it has just as much power and weights about the same. hmmmmm

Originally posted by TatII
i can't think of any real advantages that the ferrari has over the Z06 except that the ferrari has alot more finesse.

can u quantitively explain finesse?

also, yes we have already previously touched on power:weight ratios, they are very similar, eerily similar

All I know is that I'd own the Z06 before any Ferrari. While I'd love to have one, those Ferrari's are just to damn expensive to maintain.

well the Z06 is pure american muscle. it has a very very high amount of torque. it has massive grip, and it has a good weight distribution. now for a ferrari, its more then just a great engine on a good chassis. it drives smoother, and when you drive it, its suppose to be more finese instead of that raw feel that the Z06 will give you. but just becuase its raw doens't mean its not fast. thats the difference between driving an american car to a european car. not that i would know anything about it. heheh i'm too poor to drive either. this is just what i've read from autozine, and that is a very very very informative website about every kind of new car imaginable

ok i see what ur saying here tat

ur talking about interior aesthetics, ride noise, ride comfort, etc.

ur opinion is appreciated, and i see what ur saying here about the vettes raw ride, but remember, this is strictly a performance comparo

These cars seem pretty close in most aspects so it would probably come down to the driver.

Hmm tough one...w/all the money I saved by buying a ZO6...I could wax the 360 Modena w/race tires, coilovers, a blower, and other goodies...

Hehehe...

ZO6 - 49k MSRP
360 Modena - 135k MSRP

So we are talkinga bout close to 85k left over...course that wont fix the ugly Corvette interior...but who really cares...race seats, a race steering wheel, different headunit, and different upholstery...and you got yourself a nice cockpit for kicking some Italian Stallion butt!

you could say that with any car thats a lot cheaper than a ferrari. But anyway, It would really come down to the driver I think. Its too close of a comparison, no car really edges out the other in any aspect really.

The two cars are in a completely different leagues- one is a mass-produced wannabe muscle-car, the other is a finely crafted Supercar handbuilt in limited numbers- Judging by the poor times around most semi-decent race racks from the ZO6- I think I would vouch for the 360 Modena- and then when I can afford it- take it to Koenig- The ZO6 would have a hard time keeping up after that. But the cars cannot be compared- VERY different in all aspects

BlOOe46
when i was talkina bout the vette being raw. i didn't mean about interior or ride quality. i was talkin about the entire handling dynamic's. its all brute power over steer, and heavily relied on throttle control. *heavy throttle control*. the ferrari can be thrown into a corner more smoothly. and is more balanced. that was what i meant

Originally posted by YogsVR4
All I know is that I'd own the Z06 before any Ferrari. While I'd love to have one, those Ferrari's are just to damn expensive to maintain.

Being poor is no excuse to downgrade a work of art like a Ferrari. The Corvette may perform better, but the fit and finish, the design, especially the design of the interior makes me kneel down and vomit.:apuke:
Quality and aesthetics is what makes the Modena a better car, and if Ferrari felt it was neccesary to prove itself against a silly comparison like this, they would make the Modena faster. So in conclusion, the Corvette is no threat at all to the Modena.

I would say that the Z06 would take it in the 1/4 mile but the 360 would kill the Z06 on the twisties. The 360 is a pure bread track car. It wasn't built with drag racing in mind.

i would like to hear why most of the posters think that the 360 has such an advantage over a z06 when it comes to the twisties

Because its mid-engined.:bloated:

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro


Being poor is no excuse to downgrade a work of art like a Ferrari. The Corvette may perform better, but the fit and finish, the design, especially the design of the interior makes me kneel down and vomit.:apuke:
Quality and aesthetics is what makes the Modena a better car, and if Ferrari felt it was neccesary to prove itself against a silly comparison like this, they would make the Modena faster. So in conclusion, the Corvette is no threat at all to the Modena.

I hardly qualify as poor, but I am not wealthy enough to keep up the maintenance on a new Ferrari of any flavor. Aside from that, I did not downgrade the Ferrari. It is a beautiful car.

I do have to disagree with Jimmy - the Z06 is not mass produced nor a wanabe muscle car.

I know they only build about 3500 Ferraris a year http://www.enjoythemusic.com/milan2002/ferrari/page2.htm and have some of the best numbers I've ever seen in a car http://www.geocities.com/ferrarirulzz/ferrari_360.htm but thats hardly a basis to call it a wanna be muscle car. There are only 8,297 Z06 made 2001-2003 hardly mass production. http://corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/z06/2002z06prod.html

The Z06 is an "exclusive" corvette. Count how many Corvettes of any badging actually were made. Hmmm...the corvette Z06 "is" a muscle car.

I would also have to disagree with Jimster about the z06 being a wannabe muscle car. I don't see what's "wannabe" about it. And I guess you can call the z06 mass produced compared to how many ferrari's you see a month and how many z06's you see a month.

And if I had all the money in the world, I'd go with the Ferrari first.. It's just more exotic than the Z06.. The quality of the Ferrari is probaly about 10,000 times better than that Vette too... I really don't like how all the GM radio's look the same.

If I had just barely enough money to buy and maintain a Ferrari, I probaly would rather get the Z06 though. Heck.. I'd probaly get two Z06's.. One thats only slight modified, and the other would be an illegaly street driven track car. :D


So I guess the overall goes to the Z06.

Originally posted by BlOOe46
i would like to hear why most of the posters think that the 360 has such an advantage over a z06 when it comes to the twisties

One simple fact!

The 360 is a purebred track car. That is what it was designed for. The Z06 was not. The Z06 is more forgiving for the beginner driver. The 360 is more for the experienced driver. On the track I guarantee you that the same experienced driver will get better track times in the 360 than they will in the Z06.

i think ur missing out on what tat was saying on the z06's "rawness"

when u look at power to weight ratios, they are almost identical

the reason i think the 360 is not at the advantage u say it is is because the z06 has some mean torque, and a more usable powerband

just look up where each car makes its maximum power, i remember the z06 being around 6krpm and the ferrari being something more like 7900-8500rpm . . . just think about the advantage the z06 would be at hitting the apex of the turn and coming out right in the middle of its torquey low end powerband . . .

and no its not a car for beginners, i think tat described it well with his statement that the ride was "raw" - i think the ferrari is more forgiving, the vette takes someone who knows the tendencies of understeer, and knows how to row through the first gears . . . besides arent most of the 360s semi-automatic gear shift now, anyway?

eh . . . anyways, something to think about

As for the the Ferrari having an advantage in the twisties cause it is mid-engine as stated. I believe the Z06 has the engine in the front and the transmission by the rear axles, helping to even out the wieght distribution and not making that mid-engine set-up so superior

Originally posted by GTStang
As for the the Ferrari having an advantage in the twisties cause it is mid-engine as stated. I believe the Z06 has the engine in the front and the transmission by the rear axles, helping to even out the wieght distribution and not making that mid-engine set-up so superior

I beg to differ, having a heavy engine in the front and putting the gearbox in back does not have as good balance as a mid-engine, that's why Don Panoz gets his ass handed to him by an Audi every race weekend.

mid engine=good center of gravity
go ask any Formula one or Indy car driver.

let's not compare panoz and audi for le mans racing cars here.
that's a bit ridiculous.

he gets beat b/c audi has a bajillion dollars in resources to back their racing effort compared to what he has.

apples and oranges...

that's why ferrari and mclaren rule f1... budget is key there.

back to the street.

the zo6 has some amazing handling, and being f/r compared to the m/r engine setup of the 360 is not that big of a disadvantage.

the vette is alot of things...
cheaper to maintain, easier to mod (meaning that you see more hp per mod than a ferrari could)

the tq of that motor makes it pretty easy to drive, and is the reason it's quicker in the 1/4...

there's alot of reasons to pick the vette over the ferrari, and vice versa...

i look at practicality.
i wouldn't drive a 360 daily. (well, i would, but hey...)
i would drive the vette daily...

mainly because the upkeep of the 360 is horrendously expensive...

i know that's not a factor to some people b/c they want to buy an amazing expensive car, but you've got to look at reality... you can afford the car, but what about the upkeep? it's not cheap...

and if you don't look at these things, you're being blinded by the fact that it's an exotic... there's downfalls to everything...

Originally posted by Jimster
The two cars are in a completely different leagues- one is a mass-produced wannabe muscle-car, the other is a finely crafted Supercar handbuilt in limited numbers- Judging by the poor times around most semi-decent race racks from the ZO6- I think I would vouch for the 360 Modena- and then when I can afford it- take it to Koenig- The ZO6 would have a hard time keeping up after that. But the cars cannot be compared- VERY different in all aspects

I didnt know that a Lingenfelter Vette would have a hard time keeping up w/ the 360.

Many options on the vette in terms of power. Supercharging, Turbo..., Nitrous. I honestly think the vette handles just as well from what I have seen.

The Lingenfelter 427/TT Vette will smoke the 360 in the straights easily(I'm not being biased, b/c I'd rather drive the 360). It runs 0-60 in 1.97 seconds and the 1/4 in 9.24. Go to Racing Flix to see the video. The corners I'm not sure how this vette would handle but I think it would take them pretty damn good.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
The Lingenfelter 427/TT Vette will smoke the 360 in the straights easily(I'm not being biased, b/c I'd rather drive the 360). It runs 0-60 in 1.97 seconds and the 1/4 in 9.24. Go to Racing Flix to see the video. The corners I'm not sure how this vette would handle but I think it would take them pretty damn good.

No shit Sherlock!

That really isn't under debate, what you just said is more than obvious. Hell the Z06 will beat the 360 in the 1/4 mile.

Originally posted by Jimster
The two cars are in a completely different leagues- one is a mass-produced wannabe muscle-car, the other is a finely crafted Supercar handbuilt in limited numbers- Judging by the poor times around most semi-decent race racks from the ZO6- I think I would vouch for the 360 Modena- and then when I can afford it- take it to Koenig- The ZO6 would have a hard time keeping up after that. But the cars cannot be compared- VERY different in all aspects

Your lack of knowledge compared to the number of claims you make amazes me, how can someone who knows so little attempt to make final judgements about the car.

The Z06 performs righ twith a 360 modena on a roadcourse, and it doesnt take 120 grand to buy one, if the fact that one is handbuilt with fancier leather makes one better to YOU then thats fine, however the bullshit you spread as fact is a joke, please think before you post again.

Midengined cars have their own problems, namrly a very light frontend, so under acceleration or at high speeds you'll get understeer which is very likely to happen at the turn exit, a front engine car can have a 50/50 balance (the Z06 is something like 51 or 52% front) which is essentially optimal for a mass produced car since you can then tune it through the suspension to do as you like.

You arent fighting a tendency to understeer (like the ferrari) or oversteer, though being its a powerful RWD it does have a good chance of oversteering. and please, lets leave the dedicated racecars out of this, we're tlaking 2 street cars so panoz's racecar doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this, hell even enzo ferrari said the horse belongs in FRONT of the carriage.

Originally posted by Polygon
No shit Sherlock!

That really isn't under debate, what you just said is more than obvious. Hell the Z06 will beat the 360 in the 1/4 mile.
:rolleyes: Thanks for the smart ass comment.

i think this is startin to get alittle off topic.

Can I chuck the 996 GT2 (or Turbo), it into this comparison? :D

Id go for the Ferrari - better around a track, fast enough if not faster, but then on a performance scale, it depends on the driver skill as too what figures you can get - I would get crap times in either car as I havent even driven a car, but its different for a skilled driver.

This is a performance comparison between two stock cars, what does the LPE 'Vette have to do with this comparison? If your gonna compare a tuned car to a stock car, Id pull out the fast tuned Ferrari 360s (of which there are some).

Just my 2hp, though. :D

Originally posted by FYRHWK1


hell even enzo ferrari said the horse belongs in FRONT of the carriage.

Enzo Ferrari also refused to switch to disc brakes when everyone else was, and only switched because it was proven that they were better. Just because he says something doesn't mean its right.

As for the Z06/360 debate, I feel that the 360 Modena would win at a track.
While the Corvette does an excellent job, I feel that the Modena would be able to edge the corvette out at a twisty track. At a more relaxed course, I feel that it would be a very close race to call, but in the end, I would put my money on the 360.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1


Your lack of knowledge compared to the number of claims you make amazes me, how can someone who knows so little attempt to make final judgements about the car.

The Z06 performs righ twith a 360 modena on a roadcourse, and it doesnt take 120 grand to buy one, if the fact that one is handbuilt with fancier leather makes one better to YOU then thats fine, however the bullshit you spread as fact is a joke, please think before you post again.

Midengined cars have their own problems, namrly a very light frontend, so under acceleration or at high speeds you'll get understeer which is very likely to happen at the turn exit, a front engine car can have a 50/50 balance (the Z06 is something like 51 or 52% front) which is essentially optimal for a mass produced car since you can then tune it through the suspension to do as you like.

You arent fighting a tendency to understeer (like the ferrari) or oversteer, though being its a powerful RWD it does have a good chance of oversteering. and please, lets leave the dedicated racecars out of this, we're tlaking 2 street cars so panoz's racecar doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this, hell even enzo ferrari said the horse belongs in FRONT of the carriage.

I never made any claims- I just simply stated the cars are very different- and that from my experience the 360 is a born-for-track car, the Corvette is less sound on the track- even though it was a C5- it had specialised tyres for racing and was tuned to 400-odd bhp- I noted that I was entering the corners faster in the 360 (except the lighter ones)- notably the harder corners- the Covrette did hhave a torque advantage when pulling out of the corner- but what ever advantage it had it lost in th fcact that the 360 was goign around a lot faster in the first place- thre is little oversteer in the 360 and a minimal amount of understeer- the balance was near perfect- The Corvette was rather slippery- but the tyres made it better than what it was- and felt like it was going to oversteer much more than it did in the Ferrari. This was done around the local race track on different track-days- just in case you were wondering

But thats just this blokes opinion- thw driving style of the Corvette may not be my cup of tea- but others like that sort of driving style- I can understand why- but I don't really care for it.


and yes I'm aware that it wasn't a ZO6- but the ZO6 and Vette share the same chassis- and the power was very ZO6 like.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1


Your lack of knowledge compared to the number of claims you make amazes me, how can someone who knows so little attempt to make final judgements about the car.

Midengined cars have their own problems, namrly a very light frontend, so under acceleration or at high speeds you'll get understeer which is very likely to happen at the turn exit, a front engine car can have a 50/50 balance (the Z06 is something like 51 or 52% front) which is essentially optimal for a mass produced car since you can then tune it through the suspension to do as you like.

Originally posted by GTStang
As for the the Ferrari having an advantage in the twisties cause it is mid-engine as stated. I believe the Z06 has the engine in the front and the transmission by the rear axles, helping to even out the wieght distribution and not making that mid-engine set-up so superior

how can you even think that the zo6 would win on a track. Heck is was even beaten around the twisties by the new model M3.

also it goes to show how much you guys bother reasearching what you are saying. several of you said that the zo6 has a balance similar to the 360 modena meaning close to 50/50. Welll hear this its actual balance is 57% rear 43% front. that is miles away from 50/50.

Originally posted by Neutrino


how can you even think that the zo6 would win on a track. Heck is was even beaten around the twisties by the new model M3.

also it goes to show how much you guys bother reasearching what you are saying. several of you said that the zo6 has a balance similar to the 360 modena meaning close to 50/50. Welll hear this its actual balance is 57% rear 43% front. that is miles away from 50/50.


It even got beaten around an autocross (I think) circuit by a Mazda MX5:D

neutrino can u cite a specific example of a e46 m3 beating a z06?

i can remember recently at sebring, european touring gt championship (can anyone chime in on what its called), the PTG m3s, and everything else on the course fell victim to the z06

and jimster, youve used that anecdote before, but wouldnt u agree that at autocross, its more the driver then it is the car? have u asked the z06 driver what his experience level was? put two equal drivers behind each wheel, let em switch off and go in both cars, and we will see if the mazda will keep up

Originally posted by Jimster
and yes I'm aware that it wasn't a ZO6- but the ZO6 and Vette share the same chassis- and the power was very ZO6 like.

how sure are u of that?

Originally posted by BlOOe46
neutrino can u cite a specific example of a e46 m3 beating a z06?


it was in a road and track test and the key was that the m3 could accelarate from the turns faster. I was surprised too but they did use profesional drivers. and even if that might not be the best comparison there must be a grain of truth in it.


i wish i could do a direct race comparison but i do not know of any Gt series with both m3 and zo6's in it

Originally posted by BlOOe46
neutrino can u cite a specific example of a e46 m3 beating a z06?

i can remember recently at sebring, european touring gt championship (can anyone chime in on what its called), the PTG m3s, and everything else on the course fell victim to the z06

and jimster, youve used that anecdote before, but wouldnt u agree that at autocross, its more the driver then it is the car? have u asked the z06 driver what his experience level was? put two equal drivers behind each wheel, let em switch off and go in both cars, and we will see if the mazda will keep up

Doesn't change the fact that the ZO6 should have handed the Mazdas ass to him regardless- and I'm pretty sure both drivers were of considerable skill.


As for racing cars- stop bringing them into the conversation- they have nothing to do with what the stock Z06 can do- especially since they can't be used on the road.


And do you think they developed a seperate chassis for the ZO6????? dream on :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Neutrino


it was in a road and track test and the key was that the m3 could accelarate from the turns faster. I was surprised too but they did use profesional drivers. and even if that might not be the best comparison there must be a grain of truth in it.


i wish i could do a direct race comparison but i do not know of any Gt series with both m3 and zo6's in it

More magazine racing, is that all you people can do? magazines mean NOTHING, get over it and grow up, when you go to a track and see Z06s putting laptimes down with 911 turbos and 360 modenas then you can say which is the better performer, and auto-xing isn't roadracing, if the MX-5 was such a performer why isn't it competing with the Z06s in SCCA classes? the MX-5 is what, D stock? F? while theres competitions run with only vettes since they're the only competition for themselves save the supercars.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1


More magazine racing, is that all you people can do? magazines mean NOTHING, get over it and grow up, when you go to a track and see Z06s putting laptimes down with 911 turbos and 360 modenas then you can say which is the better performer, and auto-xing isn't roadracing, if the MX-5 was such a performer why isn't it competing with the Z06s in SCCA classes? the MX-5 is what, D stock? F? while theres competitions run with only vettes since they're the only competition for themselves save the supercars.


upset that i actually bothered to check up what the real weight balance of a zo6 was? And did you read my post i metioned that i got itou of an magzine and that the result might be flawed. i also mentined though that magazines often use profesional drivers much better than you or me and thre shoud be a grain of truth in what they say.

actual racing has a few disanvantages too as jimster put it since those cars are not stocki'll admit those modded zo6's like the ones in the le mans coursed are very good but they cost over 300.000$ and that is just the base price

i think we should get back on topic here, z06 and a 360 modena on a roadcourse, who would win? i want people to answer whove done their homework, not people quoting magazine times or saying things like, 'the ferrari has a superior chassis' with absolutely nothing to back it up

jimster, im surprised a moderator would go so far off discussion to say an mx5 beat a z06 at autoX, we all know that power doesnt mean shit and the biggest factors would be weight, nimbleness of the car, and driver experience

do u want to throw the mazda into this comparison too? ok, we will do that . . . guys, 360 modena, z06, or the FF mx5 on a road course, who would take the checkered flag and why?
remember, no bogus statements without backing up ur shit

Originally posted by Neutrino


it was in a road and track test and the key was that the m3 could accelarate from the turns faster. I was surprised too but they did use profesional drivers. and even if that might not be the best comparison there must be a grain of truth in it.


ok i recently heard of a magazine comparo between a 350z, m3, 911 turbo, and z06 (heard it from TatII)

z06 came in a non-contested first, 911 turbo second, 350z third, e46 m3 dead last

i suppose u COULD say there was a grain of truth in magazine racing . . . although i dont know how they couldve found the m3 to accelerate out of turns faster, seeing that the z06 has about a 150 ft lb of torque at the crank advantage over the m3 :confused:

Bloo we're back to the same thing. The only argument that you would seemingly accept would be if the same (capable) driver raced both cars around the same track immediately one after the other. Unfortunately no one seems to be able to find out any proof of this happening, so no one's gonna accept the other's opinion.


For the record, the Z06 would win a drag, but i'm dead certain the 360 would cream a Z06 around a challenging track. And we want the track to be challenging otherwise we'd be wasting our time.
The 360 more nimble, the mid-engined layout making it more adjustable on the limit than the somewhat cumbersome 'vette; and while it does have less torque the engine is more free-revving, and the body is more aerodynamic than the Z06.

I'd love to see an extract of this article where the Z06 supposedly beats a 996 Turbo, which is possibly the fastest point to point car in the world. To say i dont believe a shred of it doesnt begin to cover it.

to clarify, that car in the article was not a turbo 996.

i agree with what crazyzayjay is saying...

find us a stock zo6 and stock modena, and a road course...

then find us a competent driver to test them back to back.

until then, this argument is stupid.

ok to settle this i humbly volunteer to drive'em mysefl and post the results. so if you guys can give me the money i'll buy them both i'll settle once and for all:D

my point exactly...

yup at the road and track, it was a porsche 911 carrera. far from the almighty 996 turbo. plus i'm pretty sure that a 360 can beat a z06 at a really complicated track with elevation changes during turns. i mean the 360 has been througly tested for years in italy in ferrari's on test track. the z06 is really nothing more then a beefed up C5 with bigger wheels, tighter suspension and 405hp.

Originally posted by TatII
yup at the road and track, it was a porsche 911 carrera. far from the almighty 996 turbo. plus i'm pretty sure that a 360 can beat a z06 at a really complicated track with elevation changes during turns. i mean the 360 has been througly tested for years in italy in ferrari's on test track. the z06 is really nothing more then a beefed up C5 with bigger wheels, tighter suspension and 405hp.

Which is exactly why it handles so well, the C5 is an excellent base, you can stand by ferrari all you like, the fact it does so well versus a Z06 is testament to how well it's built, but the name ferrari and a 175K pricetag does not mean it can outhandle everything on the road. People keep getting pissy because GM came up with a car that for ~50K can easily run laps with these "supercars", dave hill must love this kind of stuff.

Originally posted by TatII
yup at the road and track, it was a porsche 911 carrera. far from the almighty 996 turbo. plus i'm pretty sure that a 360 can beat a z06 at a really complicated track with elevation changes during turns. i mean the 360 has been througly tested for years in italy in ferrari's on test track. the z06 is really nothing more then a beefed up C5 with bigger wheels, tighter suspension and 405hp.

my apologies, a normal 996

explain to me why elevation changes would mean a ferrari win? vette will easily be able to take a change of elevation with its gobs of torque

so the 360 has been tested for years . . . so has the z06! i would wager chevrolet has more resources to do testing (because of GM) then ferrari has to test their 360

Originally posted by BlOOe46




so the 360 has been tested for years . . . so has the z06! i would wager chevrolet has more resources to do testing (because of GM) then ferrari has to test their 360


Theyt have a lot more resources- but GM- being your typical American corporate giant haven't done squat with testing this car- it was not designed to be driven with passion, or to have a bold racing heritage- it was build to make more money than they are already making- the American buying public are what GM uses to test thier cars :rolleyes:

elevation changes either before, during or after a turn really fucks with the weight distribution of a car, and can really throw it off balance. thats why the most challenging courses are aways the ones with alot of elevation changes. this is where a mid engine car would acel above all.

Originally posted by Jimster



Theyt have a lot more resources- but GM- being your typical American corporate giant haven't done squat with testing this car- it was not designed to be driven with passion, or to have a bold racing heritage- it was build to make more money than they are already making- the American buying public are what GM uses to test thier cars :rolleyes:

Show me your proof of this? because here's the facts, the C5 has been road testing since 1995, 2 years before it came out, in 98 or 99 GM backed racing programs on a less then LeMans level utilizing stock frames and only suspension and tire modifications. Then they started the C5-R, GTS calss carwith similar framing albeit a coilover suspension vs the transvere leaf of the Z06. They took data from ALL of this, PLUS the tinkering that had been done since 1997, and first came out with a Z06 in 2001, if THAT isn't testing then whats your (biased) opinion of one? or are you just like the rest who shoot their mouths off in a lame attempt to bring another car down to make another shine. The Z06 doesn't have to be lesser (which it isn't) then the 360 modena for it to perform well, hell for the 360 to perform with the Z06 is a testament to how good of a car it is.

It would be an insult to the boys from modena if their achievement with the 360 was applauded with comparisons to the Z06. Theyre just not in the same league, im really sorry. Chevy engineers probably think a venturi is Italian ice cream

crazyzayjay...

I dont want to see another stupid, unreasoned post such as the one above. This guy stereotypes and criticises the mentalities of BMW drivers when his ability to spell is somewhat lacking. FYI, Aston man, it's "as a whole", and not "as a hole". They mean entirely different things. By your reasoning i would have to come to the conclusion that Aston drivers are uneducated.

didn't you just post this?

then you go pull the same thing here b/c of your preference for a ferrari over a chevy?

come on.

practice what you preach...

more trying to pass your opinion off as fact, do you ever prove what you preach crazy? Of course since you're an engineer you can tell how good GMs are right? you've analyzed the chassis and know exactly how each will perform, right? :rolleyes:

For all you know, GM has engineers FROM italy, but since you're ignorant it wont matter, blindly following ferrari must be very satisfying if you can sit there and protect your companies "honor" with not a fact behind you.

ahem....

www.autoweek.com

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=05471852

and i quote...

"The new hood weighs 20.5 pounds, 10.6 pounds lighter than the standard piece. The 5.7-liter V8 remains untouched, but Corvette engineers spent considerable time revising the Z06’s shock damping, with much development done at the Nurburgring . The revised suspension will appear on all 2004 Z06s, but the hood will not. Commemorative Edition base coupes and convertibles will also be available, but with cosmetic changes only."

this is in regards to the Le Mans edition zo6 chevy is coming out with...

hmm...

Originally posted by flylwsi
ahem....

www.autoweek.com

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=05471852

and i quote...

"The new hood weighs 20.5 pounds, 10.6 pounds lighter than the standard piece. The 5.7-liter V8 remains untouched, but Corvette engineers spent considerable time revising the Z06’s shock damping, with much development done at the Nurburgring . The revised suspension will appear on all 2004 Z06s, but the hood will not. Commemorative Edition base coupes and convertibles will also be available, but with cosmetic changes only."

this is in regards to the Le Mans edition zo6 chevy is coming out with...

hmm...


But the question must be answered- why didn't they do this on when the car was in deveopment- instead of using the public for testing it. :rolleyes:

since it doesn't say that it wasn't tested prior, you can't make that assumption.

find a place that says the zo6 suspension was not extensively track tested, and you're right...

but bloo and fyrhawk both pointed to the fact that the chassis was extensively tested since 1995, 2-3 yrs before the c5 and zo6 came out...

i'm simply backing the facts up

indeed, but you won't get much of an argument from them, of course they'll try to pass their opinion off as it. Dont waste your time flylw, you can't teach a stupid dog anything.

i prefer to enlighten people...

i'm not preaching, just pointing out facts, that anyone can find...

if you "overlook" it now that i've pointed it out or make excuses, that's cool...

but when it's staring you in the face, it's hard to argue.