will motor out of 2003 implala work
ripp_jr
10-31-2009, 11:08 PM
yes i was wondering if the motor out of a 2003 chevy impala will work in my 1997 chevy venture van
rdh2
11-01-2009, 08:39 PM
yes i was wondering if the motor out of a 2003 chevy impala will work in my 1997 chevy venture van
It depends...for the most part, the 2003 engine should be compatible. But, there may have been changes to sensors or wiring between 97 and 03 which can affect compatibility. The revision to the camshaft journal may affect you the most on the '03.
I have a CHANGE SHEET for 2003:
3400 3.4L V6 (LA1) Car and Truck Engine
2003 Model Year Summary
• Revised Crankshaft Bearing and Timing Ring
• Revised Cylinder Heads
• Revised Pushrods
• Revised Camshaft Journal
• Water Pump
• Air Injection Reaction (AIR) Eliminated
• Iridium Spark Plugs
• Maximum Oil Change Interval Extended
• Improved Starter Solenoid
FULL DESCRIPTIONS OF NEW OR CHANGED FEATURES
REVISED CRANKSHAFT BEARING AND TIMING RING
The thrust bearing on the 3.4L V6 (LA1) has been modified to optimize piston and bore oiling. The thrust bearing is fitted to the 3400's third main bearing cap to control the fore-aft movement of the crankshaft. The lower half of the bearing now has slots machined in a starburst pattern on its flange. Oil at the bearing cap is squeezed through the slots and forced in a fan pattern under the pistons and into the cylinder bore, providing another oil distribution path. This simple modification pays big dividends in improved internal lubrication and even longer engine life.
3400s built for Chevy Venture, Pontiac Montana and Oldsmobile Silhouette also have a new crankshaft reluctor or timing ring. In other 3400s the timing ring is machined into the middle of the crankshaft. Those built at Ramos, Arizpe, Mexico plant have a new assembled ring. This two-piece, fine-blank ring is heat-shrunk on the crankshaft and encoded with a 24X tooth pattern. This timing ring provides the basis for future 3400 developments.
REVISED CYLINDER HEADS
The 3.4L cylinder head castings are tapped with 8-millimeter holes for the rocker arm bolts, reducing the tap size from 10 millimeter, and the rocker arms are secured with 8-millimeter bolts. This change commonizes machining and increases assembly efficiency.
REVISED PUSHRODS
Pushrods in the 3.4L are no longer heat-treated. The pushrod guides are now made of low friction nylon, rather than steel, and no longer need heat-treating to limit wear.
REVISED CAMSHAFT JOURNAL
The 3.4L front camshaft journal has been revised with a new timing pattern. This journal is now machined with a 50/50 pattern of raised and lowered semi circles, rather than a single boss or lug. The operating principal for ignition and fuel injection timing has not changed, but the new timing pattern requires a slightly smaller cam sensor and modifications to the fuel injection wiring harness. The new timing pattern was introduced in anticipation of future LA1 development.
WATER PUMP
The 3.4L water pump has a more efficient impellor design and the latest sealing technology, featuring a drip collector under the shaft. Most water pump seals are designed to release a few drops of coolant at a constant rate. With the drip collector, the drops are contained and evaporate. The drips are less likely to be mistaken for a leak.
AIR INJECTION REACTION (AIR) ELIMINATED
The AIR system has been removed for most applications. AIR was used to lower exhaust emissions by injecting warm, fresh air into the combustion process to create an exothermic reaction. The reaction warmed the catalytic converter more quickly, speeding catalyst light-off and reducing emissions during cold starts--a critical phase in certification tests. AIR has become redundant because of efficiency improvements in catalytic converters, spark plugs, oxygen sensors and engine management calibration. The 3400 meets all 2003 federal and California emission standards without AIR.
For 2003, AIR is removed from 3400s for Chevrolet Venture, Pontiac Montana and Aztek, Oldmobile Silhouette and Buick Rendezvous (the system had been removed from passenger car applications prior to 2003). AIR continues on engines exported to Europe, where regulation requires lower oxides of nitrogen (NoX) emissions. These engines are equipped with a new air pump.
IRIDIUM SPARK PLUGS
The 3.4L benefits from the latest spark plug technology. The new plug has an iridium core in the conductor and the same internal resistance. Iridium helps maintain spark density over the life of the plug. The tip is still coated with platinum, and the spark plug maintains a recommended life of 100,000 miles, yet the electrode design improves combustion efficiency for maximum fuel economy and minimum emissions.
MAXIMUM OIL CHANGE INTERVAL EXTENDED
New calibrations in the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) extend the oil-change interval in all vehicles equipped with the 3.4L. Engineers have adjusted the Oil Life System to account for widespread use of the new GF-3 motor oil. GF-3 (for “Gasoline Fueled, Standard 3’’) contains a friction modifier, or an additive that makes the oil molecules more slippery. A new refining process leaves molecules in the base oil more stable. The oil degrades less with heat and retains proper lubricating properties longer.
Most oil change indicators work according to a predetermined mileage interval, which in turn is based on the oil’s anticipated life under some generalized operating cycle. In the 3.4L, the PCM records a number of variables, including engine speed, temperature, load or rpm variance, and period of operation at any given load and temperature. With this information, the Oil Life System calculates oil degradation and recommends an oil change when the oil is near the end of its useful life, when an oil change is actually needed. With the 2003 revisions, maximum oil change intervals have been increased approximately 20 percent. There is no upward limit on the interval. The owner’s manual in cars and trucks equipped with the 3400 will continue to recommend an oil change at least once a year.
The benefits of the unlimited mileage interval, measured by customer convenience, maintenance cost or environmental impact, are obvious. The customer should never pay for an unnecessary oil change again. Using oil for its true useful life results in less petroleum consumed and less used motor oil to be recycled or disposed of.
IMPROVED STARTER SOLENOID
The starter solenoid on all 3.4-liter engines has been improved to virtually eliminate the possibility of icing during cold-weather operation. Because of its typical location in most vehicles, the starter and its control solenoid can be exposed to moisture and ice during the winter. The solenoid's internal spool is now made of a material called liquid crystal polymer (LCP), which does not absorb moisture. Further, the solenoid wire terminals have been redesigned in a tapered, round shape rather than a flat shape to reduce the possibility that moisture and ice can collect on them.
OVERVIEW
The 3400 V6 was developed for the 1996 Chevy Venture, Olds Silhouette and Pontiac Montana. The engine block is similar to the 60-degree 3.1L V6 (LG8), but requires a unique casting to increase the cylinder bore by
3 millimeters, in turn increasing overall displacement 214 cc. The 3.4L was first used in a passenger car in the 1999 Pontiac Grand Am., and its application has expanded steadily since.
Volume increased substantially in 2002, when the 3400-powered Buick Rendezvous was introduced. The engine also powered new all-wheel-drive versions of the Venture, Silhouette and Montana, and with new applications came several enhancements.
The success of the 3.4L proves that refined overhead valve technology, continually improved, meets customer needs for good specific output, a broad torque band, economy and durability at reasonable cost to both the corporation and the customer.
It depends...for the most part, the 2003 engine should be compatible. But, there may have been changes to sensors or wiring between 97 and 03 which can affect compatibility. The revision to the camshaft journal may affect you the most on the '03.
I have a CHANGE SHEET for 2003:
3400 3.4L V6 (LA1) Car and Truck Engine
2003 Model Year Summary
• Revised Crankshaft Bearing and Timing Ring
• Revised Cylinder Heads
• Revised Pushrods
• Revised Camshaft Journal
• Water Pump
• Air Injection Reaction (AIR) Eliminated
• Iridium Spark Plugs
• Maximum Oil Change Interval Extended
• Improved Starter Solenoid
FULL DESCRIPTIONS OF NEW OR CHANGED FEATURES
REVISED CRANKSHAFT BEARING AND TIMING RING
The thrust bearing on the 3.4L V6 (LA1) has been modified to optimize piston and bore oiling. The thrust bearing is fitted to the 3400's third main bearing cap to control the fore-aft movement of the crankshaft. The lower half of the bearing now has slots machined in a starburst pattern on its flange. Oil at the bearing cap is squeezed through the slots and forced in a fan pattern under the pistons and into the cylinder bore, providing another oil distribution path. This simple modification pays big dividends in improved internal lubrication and even longer engine life.
3400s built for Chevy Venture, Pontiac Montana and Oldsmobile Silhouette also have a new crankshaft reluctor or timing ring. In other 3400s the timing ring is machined into the middle of the crankshaft. Those built at Ramos, Arizpe, Mexico plant have a new assembled ring. This two-piece, fine-blank ring is heat-shrunk on the crankshaft and encoded with a 24X tooth pattern. This timing ring provides the basis for future 3400 developments.
REVISED CYLINDER HEADS
The 3.4L cylinder head castings are tapped with 8-millimeter holes for the rocker arm bolts, reducing the tap size from 10 millimeter, and the rocker arms are secured with 8-millimeter bolts. This change commonizes machining and increases assembly efficiency.
REVISED PUSHRODS
Pushrods in the 3.4L are no longer heat-treated. The pushrod guides are now made of low friction nylon, rather than steel, and no longer need heat-treating to limit wear.
REVISED CAMSHAFT JOURNAL
The 3.4L front camshaft journal has been revised with a new timing pattern. This journal is now machined with a 50/50 pattern of raised and lowered semi circles, rather than a single boss or lug. The operating principal for ignition and fuel injection timing has not changed, but the new timing pattern requires a slightly smaller cam sensor and modifications to the fuel injection wiring harness. The new timing pattern was introduced in anticipation of future LA1 development.
WATER PUMP
The 3.4L water pump has a more efficient impellor design and the latest sealing technology, featuring a drip collector under the shaft. Most water pump seals are designed to release a few drops of coolant at a constant rate. With the drip collector, the drops are contained and evaporate. The drips are less likely to be mistaken for a leak.
AIR INJECTION REACTION (AIR) ELIMINATED
The AIR system has been removed for most applications. AIR was used to lower exhaust emissions by injecting warm, fresh air into the combustion process to create an exothermic reaction. The reaction warmed the catalytic converter more quickly, speeding catalyst light-off and reducing emissions during cold starts--a critical phase in certification tests. AIR has become redundant because of efficiency improvements in catalytic converters, spark plugs, oxygen sensors and engine management calibration. The 3400 meets all 2003 federal and California emission standards without AIR.
For 2003, AIR is removed from 3400s for Chevrolet Venture, Pontiac Montana and Aztek, Oldmobile Silhouette and Buick Rendezvous (the system had been removed from passenger car applications prior to 2003). AIR continues on engines exported to Europe, where regulation requires lower oxides of nitrogen (NoX) emissions. These engines are equipped with a new air pump.
IRIDIUM SPARK PLUGS
The 3.4L benefits from the latest spark plug technology. The new plug has an iridium core in the conductor and the same internal resistance. Iridium helps maintain spark density over the life of the plug. The tip is still coated with platinum, and the spark plug maintains a recommended life of 100,000 miles, yet the electrode design improves combustion efficiency for maximum fuel economy and minimum emissions.
MAXIMUM OIL CHANGE INTERVAL EXTENDED
New calibrations in the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) extend the oil-change interval in all vehicles equipped with the 3.4L. Engineers have adjusted the Oil Life System to account for widespread use of the new GF-3 motor oil. GF-3 (for “Gasoline Fueled, Standard 3’’) contains a friction modifier, or an additive that makes the oil molecules more slippery. A new refining process leaves molecules in the base oil more stable. The oil degrades less with heat and retains proper lubricating properties longer.
Most oil change indicators work according to a predetermined mileage interval, which in turn is based on the oil’s anticipated life under some generalized operating cycle. In the 3.4L, the PCM records a number of variables, including engine speed, temperature, load or rpm variance, and period of operation at any given load and temperature. With this information, the Oil Life System calculates oil degradation and recommends an oil change when the oil is near the end of its useful life, when an oil change is actually needed. With the 2003 revisions, maximum oil change intervals have been increased approximately 20 percent. There is no upward limit on the interval. The owner’s manual in cars and trucks equipped with the 3400 will continue to recommend an oil change at least once a year.
The benefits of the unlimited mileage interval, measured by customer convenience, maintenance cost or environmental impact, are obvious. The customer should never pay for an unnecessary oil change again. Using oil for its true useful life results in less petroleum consumed and less used motor oil to be recycled or disposed of.
IMPROVED STARTER SOLENOID
The starter solenoid on all 3.4-liter engines has been improved to virtually eliminate the possibility of icing during cold-weather operation. Because of its typical location in most vehicles, the starter and its control solenoid can be exposed to moisture and ice during the winter. The solenoid's internal spool is now made of a material called liquid crystal polymer (LCP), which does not absorb moisture. Further, the solenoid wire terminals have been redesigned in a tapered, round shape rather than a flat shape to reduce the possibility that moisture and ice can collect on them.
OVERVIEW
The 3400 V6 was developed for the 1996 Chevy Venture, Olds Silhouette and Pontiac Montana. The engine block is similar to the 60-degree 3.1L V6 (LG8), but requires a unique casting to increase the cylinder bore by
3 millimeters, in turn increasing overall displacement 214 cc. The 3.4L was first used in a passenger car in the 1999 Pontiac Grand Am., and its application has expanded steadily since.
Volume increased substantially in 2002, when the 3400-powered Buick Rendezvous was introduced. The engine also powered new all-wheel-drive versions of the Venture, Silhouette and Montana, and with new applications came several enhancements.
The success of the 3.4L proves that refined overhead valve technology, continually improved, meets customer needs for good specific output, a broad torque band, economy and durability at reasonable cost to both the corporation and the customer.
manicmechanix
11-02-2009, 04:01 AM
When you read all the changes and improvements just for '03 most of them not necessary, it's a wonder why they still didn't fix the lower intake mnaifold gasket issue?
It looks like you'd probably need the wiring harness and PCM from the '03, and reprogram the PCM for a car swap to make it work.
It looks like you'd probably need the wiring harness and PCM from the '03, and reprogram the PCM for a car swap to make it work.
'97ventureowner
11-08-2009, 02:45 PM
When you read all the changes and improvements just for '03 most of them not necessary, it's a wonder why they still didn't fix the lower intake mnaifold gasket issue?
Didn't they address this issue with the release of an updated intake gasket in July 2002? The main issue was the design and materials of the gasket itself. I haven't seen any real issues after 2003 with the OEM gaskets used like their predecessors had.
Didn't they address this issue with the release of an updated intake gasket in July 2002? The main issue was the design and materials of the gasket itself. I haven't seen any real issues after 2003 with the OEM gaskets used like their predecessors had.
manicmechanix
11-08-2009, 04:59 PM
Didn't they address this issue with the release of an updated intake gasket in July 2002? The main issue was the design and materials of the gasket itself. I haven't seen any real issues after 2003 with the OEM gaskets used like their predecessors had.
No they didn't fix it by the '03. I replaced one on an '03 3400 and it was the same old gasket. Maybe they fixed the gasket by the very late '03 to '04 model, but still they made changes to other engines parts several times before '03 and '04, but never fixed the gasket. We are talking about 10 years with that same old gasket while other updates were done to the engine. It doesn't make a lot of sense and it's not really acceptable IMO.
No they didn't fix it by the '03. I replaced one on an '03 3400 and it was the same old gasket. Maybe they fixed the gasket by the very late '03 to '04 model, but still they made changes to other engines parts several times before '03 and '04, but never fixed the gasket. We are talking about 10 years with that same old gasket while other updates were done to the engine. It doesn't make a lot of sense and it's not really acceptable IMO.
'97ventureowner
11-08-2009, 08:46 PM
More than likely that '03 you did was probably made in the early production cycle for that model year. Sometimes it takes awhile for updates to trickle down and my guess is GM probably had some old version gaskets left over and rather than scrap them, they used them figuring they would just get replaced further down the road. I know a couple guys who worked the assembly lines and have some real interesting stories about what goes on/went on while they were there. I haven't seen any '03+ in the shop needing gaskets so I gathered the issue was fixed beyond the 2002 model year. ( I have seen some '02 and before in for a second set of LIM, which also is unacceptable.)
lesterl
02-04-2010, 02:41 PM
OP, did you ever try it? My uncles says the fuel rails will have to be changed as well as some of the externally mounted hardware on the motor. But it would be a guess at that. Would be a good source for replacement motors tho....
quaddakota
02-15-2010, 10:52 PM
Why are you changing the motor? Bad Cam Bad crank? the blocks between the 3.4 and the newer 3.1's are pretty much the same and if you are creative you can make just about any of them work.
PS: GM has not made any good changes to the lower intake gaskets on that block I just changed a leaking lower intake on an 05 G6 with the same stupid plastic gasket.
PS: GM has not made any good changes to the lower intake gaskets on that block I just changed a leaking lower intake on an 05 G6 with the same stupid plastic gasket.
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